[bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:32:30 -0500
Asking people with no sight to make exact collumns doesn't sound as though it
will work very well. We have to compromise a bit here between the need for
separation between page number and item in the table of contents, and the ideal
situation of having exact collumns.
Besides, what would happen to those exact collumns if someone increased the
font size so they could read the material? The whole thing would increase in
size, but you would get right hand parts of collumns spilling over onto
subsequent lines. No more exact collumns.
Evan
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As a user of a screen reader it sounds fine, but if the titles and the page
numbers are not in exact columns I don't think it will fulfill the purpose of a
table for sighted readers, that is, providing information in a single glance
without the necessity of reading it and thinking about it.
"I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am
a citizen of the world." Eugene V. Debs
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table with 2 columns and 6 rows
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[bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
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Hi everyone!
Here is a table of contents with the dot leaders as I found it. I didn't
insert anything.
How does it look for you sighted readers?
How does it come out on a braille display?
How does it sound to those who use screen readers?
Window-Eyes, at least the way I have it set totally ignores these dot
leaders. If I add periods like this on a line:
......
Window-Eyes also ignores them.
Here's the table of contents.
Contents
Foreword .................................. 9
1 Intercession
A Way of Life ............................ 13
2 Compassion in Action
The Functions of Intercession ............... 26
3 Intensity in Vision
The Priorities of Intercession ................ 44
4 Ordered Warfare
Establishing Battle Strategies for
Intercession .............................. 60
5 Authoritative Intercession
Keys to "Fasting" Down Strongholds ........ 76
6 Praying for the Lost
(A Week of Intercession)
Monday: Six Interrogatives of Intercession .... 89
8
7 Praying for Authorities
Tuesday: Invading Areas of Influence ........ 96
8 Praying for Nations
Wednesday: Confronting Enemy
Strongholds ............................. 105
9 Praying for Laborers
Thursday: Co-Workers in the Conflict ....... 114
10 Praying for the Church
Friday: Contending for Spiritual
Awakening ............................. 12
11 Praying for the Sick and Afflicted
Saturday: Biblical Factors for Physical
Restoration ............................. 131
12 Praying for the Family
Sunday: Prayer Patterns for Healthy
Homes ................................. 143
13 Soul Conflict
Taking Authority Against Spiritual
Darkness ............................... 156
14 Prayer Travelers
Mobilizing a Movement of World Prayer Missionaries
............................ 175
Debby
At 04:26 PM 11/4/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote
>Hi Judy and Valerie,
>
> Inserting an elipsis between items in a table of contents and their
>respective page numbers will work. Any more dots than that would be a
>potential nightmare for those reading with speech. Because in the dot
>leader format the screen readers might well read "dot dot dot dot dot" etc
>depending upon the amount of punctuation each user has spoken. So, if an
>elipsis would work for sighted readers better than just a space, I'm happy
>to begin inserting an elipsis instead.
>
>Thanks, Valerie, for telling us how we can make things at least a little
>more usable for some folks.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
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>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
>
>I agree with Valerie. It is a torture to figure out tables of contents
>visually with just the single space. I'm perfectly happy with an ellipsis
>instead of the space, as an idea. I can't see any way that trying to
>figuour out how many periods to put in to make the right margin on each
>line, as is done with a printed book, will make sense or be anything but a
>nightmare to do if you're blind. Having an ellipsis in makes it perfectly
>readable for me visually.
>
>Golly, I hope I'm making sense. I had some major dental surgery today and we
>had to use enough anesthesia to bring an elephant down. So I'm a bit loopy!
>grin.
>
>Judy s.
>
>Valerie Maples wrote:
> > Ideally you should have enough periods so the right margin is even for
> > visual scanning of page numbers as a list, but an ellipsis would be
> > better than a single space. that is outright torture to find anything.
> >
> > Valerie
> >
> >
> > On 11 04, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Debby,
> >>
> >> I'd like more commentary from our sighted print disabled readers to
> >> know whether this will be helpful before I change my practises. I'm
> >> happy to change, as you are, but not willing to make a permanent
> >> change until or unless it is commented upon by more than one person.
> >>
> >> Vallerie, Doug, Judy, anyone else who is print disabled, but sighted
> >> want to comment on this?
> >>
> >> Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby
> >> Franson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:58 AM
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
> >>
> >> Hi Mayrie!
> >>
> >> Should I insert elipses in the table of contents in "Rebel With a Cause"?
> >> It wouldn't be a bother.
> >>
> >> Debby
> >>
> >> At 07:50 AM 11/3/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote
> >>> Hi Melissa,
> >>>
> >>> That's a great idea! Let's see if it would work for folks like
> >>> Valerie's Nichole, since Valerie was the one requesting a change.
> >>> If it would work, I don't see how it would go against anything
> >>> bookshare has
> >> ever said.
> >>>
> >>> Mayrie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
> >>> Smith
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:07 AM
> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Table Of Contents
> >>>
> >>> I've been thinking about Valerye's concerns about the table of contents.
> >>> I got to thinking about how Braille books have a series of dots
> >>> between the chapter title and page number. So, I was wondering if
> >>> inserting an ellipses between the chapter title and page number
> >>> would be an appropriate
> >> solution.
> >>> An ellipses will be recognized and kept by bookshare's tools, and
> >>> will give some separation between chapter title and page number for
> >>> those that need that. It wouldn't be spoken by most screen readers,
> >>> so wouldn't interfere with anybody's listening pleasure.
> >>> Finally, since Braille readers are used to the series of dots
> >>> between chapter title and page number, it wouldn't seem unusual to them
>either.
> >>> So, do you think this would be acceptable and not violate any
> >>> bookshare rules?
> >>>
> >>> Melissa
> >>>
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