[bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
- From: "Lynn I" <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:35:54 -0600
Hi Evan!
It sounds as if either way is acceptable. I've followed the NLS practice
with a space before and after. Maybe we have some flexibility there. *smile*
Blessings.
Lynnsky
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From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
No, the space before and after is not necessary--at least for my Pac Mate to
translate the ellipsis properly--it's just that the periods need to be
without spaces between them to appear correctly. However, the braille
convention in the NLS books I've read is to put a space before and after the
ellipsis. I'm not sure why, but that's the way I always read them. It may be
that it is done to avoid any possible confusion with other dots that
indicate apostrophes or double caps or something; but I'm just shooting in
the dark on this one. The NLS convention for ellipses at the ends of
sentences is consistent: The regular period--dots 2-5-6 is used, then a
space, then the three dot 3's together without spaces.
As far as print books go, I've seen them both ways with my Optacon. Usually,
if the ellipsis is at the end of a sentence, I will see a period without a
space before it at the end of a sentence followed by three more periods
without spaces. But in the middle of a sentence, I usually see them
surrounded by spaces. (I should mention that my scanning
software--K1000--often does not give the ellipsis consistently, even in the
same book. Sometimes it will appear with spaces, then maybe a few lines
further down, it will show no spaces.) I always follow the format of showing
them without spaces between the periods and spaces around them in the books
I scan and proofread for Bookshare because, since it varies for print books,
it seems as though it shouldn't matter very much to most sighted readers,
and they look more natural in braille when written that way, so it just
seems most convenient to just follow that. The only difference is that I
have not been putting the space after the period at the end of a sentence.
On my Pac Mate at least, it seems to work just fine; I get four dot 3's at
the end of a sentence, which replicates what appears in the original print
book as far as I can tell.
After just checking a book I proofread, it turns out that the Bookshare
translator doesn't follow the same convention as NLS books. At the end of a
sentence if the four periods are together, it puts the three dot 3's
together, then the regular period, dots 2-5-6, immediately after that. I
think, given that when the ellipsis appears with other punctuation in print
books, such as a question mark, that our braille translator may have the
right of it. In any case, I think I'll just continue to follow the same
format of putting the four periods together. It looks fine in the brf file
when it's done that way.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn I" <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
> Hi Mayrie, or anyone who knows more than I do!
>
> Isn't the space before and after the ellipsis necessary for the Braille
> file
> to translate properly?
>
> I certainly thought so. Just wondering. *smile*
>
> Blessings.
>
> Lynnsky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
>
>
> Hi Mayrie!
>
> Should I insert elipses in the table of contents in "Rebel With a
> Cause"? It wouldn't be a bother.
>
> Debby
>
> At 07:50 AM 11/3/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote
>>Hi Melissa,
>>
>>That's a great idea! Let's see if it would work for folks like Valerie's
>>Nichole, since Valerie was the one requesting a change. If it would work,
>>I
>>don't see how it would go against anything bookshare has ever said.
>>
>>Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Smith
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:07 AM
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Table Of Contents
>>
>>I've been thinking about Valerye's concerns about the table of contents.
>>I got to thinking about how Braille books have a series of dots between
>>the
>>chapter title and page number. So, I was wondering if inserting an
>>ellipses
>>between the chapter title and page number would be an appropriate
>>solution.
>>An ellipses will be recognized and kept by bookshare's tools, and will
>>give
>>some separation between chapter title and page number for those that need
>>that. It wouldn't be spoken by most screen readers, so wouldn't interfere
>>with anybody's listening pleasure.
>>Finally, since Braille readers are used to the series of dots between
>>chapter title and page number, it wouldn't seem unusual to them either.
>>So, do you think this would be acceptable and not violate any bookshare
>>rules?
>>
>>Melissa
>>
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