Well, with my Optacon, from what I've noticed, I can usually see a difference between the distance from a period at the end of a sentence and the letter preceding it, which is right up against the letter, and the first dot of an ellipsis and the letter preceding it, which is usually farther away; and that is usually the same distance as the final dot and the letter following it. Those differences in distance look like the difference between no space and a space to me. I can't think of any other way of accounting for them.
I have often seen the ellipses with no spaces around them on inside flaps and back covers of paperbacks. Things are generally more crowded there, but often with spaces around them in the text of a book.
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I have no spaces.----- Original Message ----- From: <bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: "undisclosed-recipients:" Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:43 AMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: (No From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Hey, Kim!Not knocking your Braille read, but as a sighted reader, I have always seen an ellipsis with no space before and a space after.To everyone else, are we to add spaces before and after ellipses for BookShare? I know with things like em-dash replacements, there are no spaces around double hyphens... how are ellipses to be handled in submissions?Valerie, ever the learning student! On 11 04, 2009, at 2:32 AM, Kim Friedman wrote:Hi, Debby, I like using it because at least I know how the Braille shouldlook. I have come across little things, for example, a word with anellipsis right next to it without a space and a second word connected to theend of the ellipsis. I've read Braille for a long time and know that ellipses should be by themselves with spaces separating them from surrounding words. The scan I'm looking at is very clean. So far, therearen't many errors. I did see a four word combination with hyphens except for the last word, so put in a hyphen because maybe the scanner didn't catch it. I listen to the text and follow along in Braille for the sake of double checking. When I come across something I should get rid of, I use the arrow keys on the computer to get me to the place and I'm looking at the Braille display with one hand until I'm at the spot then delete something or correct something. I'm trying not to mess with the scan or the spacing because I don't know how to deal with that yet. My feeling is if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I've been saving the changes I make every time I close the file, so hopefully when it is done, I can send this file to the check in point atBookshare. I think I'll ask questions of the submitter if I run intodifficulties, but so far things are okay. What's nice about this is while I'm proofreading the file, I'm reading the story. Yes, it's true, Debby, I'm reading every single solitary word. Thanks for your note. I enjoy hearing from you. I'm giving the computer a rest as it's almost 12:30 A.M. and Iwant to finish my mystery magazine. Regards, Kim. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:44 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: taking the plungeRE: Re: bookbooks Hi Kim!I'm proud of you for figuring out how to get your Braille Note to help you proof. Way to go! Is there an advantage to using a braille display whileproofing? I don't have one, so I depend entirely on speech. Debby At 05:10 PM 11/2/2009, Kim Friedman wroteHi, Debby, what I understand is the submitter and proofreader can work together as a team. I want to do just enough and not too much, i.e., I don't want to mess up the submitter's work if I can help it. I was getting a bit frustrated before I thought to leave the file on the computer and both listen to and read the file in Braille. When I'vemastered the word processing stuff in my BrailleNote manual (yawn), and know how to get the BrailleNOte to recognize the file, I'll continue inthis way I've chosen.Right now, I'm reading every word of the text (I want to know what happens next). So I don't think I'll be one of those slam-bang jiffy proofreaders that I understand are the despair of conscientious submitters. I figure for now to proofread the sort of stuff I readanyway. Last night I was definitely beginning to have fun because I wasprogressing from helpless frustration to a mere glimmer of confidence.I'm not at the stage of being "an old hand". I'll cheer you on and expectyou'll do the same for me.Regards, Kim. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby FransonSent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:16 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: taking the plungeRE: Re: bookbooks Hi Kim! I hope you enjoy proofreading as much as I am. Just go through carefully, and I know you'll do fine. Debby At 06:49 PM 10/31/2009, Kim Friedman wroteHi, Debby, thanks for your comments. I appreciate making friends on this list. Wish me well, for I'm going to try proofreading again and hope it works out that every word is spelled right, every sentence lacks nothing the author intended to write and I hope my job is goodenough that it ends up in the collection. Cross your fingers. Regards,Kim.-----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby Franson Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:50 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: taking the plungeRE: Re: bookbooks Hi Kim! Take your time when learning the scanning. There is no rush, and I know you can do it. You express yourself well, so I agree with whoever said it quite a few messages ago that you are sharp. Just a little shakyconfidence now.A few years ago, I tried OmniPage, and that OCR package baffled me, so I know the feeling about something that is baffling. Debby At 05:34 PM 10/30/2009, Kim Friedman wroteHi, Monica, again, thanks much for writing. I thank you also for the compliment and I grant you I have my moments, but at other times, I don't feel sharp at all. I'll let you know when I actually do something or take the plunge into scanning. I'm not really worried about crashing the computer and I know I haven't hurt the scanner, but it's actually wanting to do it. Again, I don't thinkthere's any rush on this, as long as I eventually screw up my courageand say:"Okay, Friedman, there's something I want to scan and now is the time for you to get off your rear end and do the thing." Take care, best regards, happy reading, and if you wish to write me off list, please do so. That way the list gurus won't get us into trouble. KimFriedman.---------- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:12 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookbooks Kim, you can put your book or scanner in any position you like. I have mine set up like yours with the lid at the back. Scanners come in different sizes and shapes. Because of that, and because of our computer desks, we all have slightly different set-ups. Kurzweil will detect if pages are upside down or sideways. It's something I really like about the program. Just relax and try scanning something simple like a letter or a page in a novel. You'll find that you learn so much by experimenting. You can't hurt your scanner or crash your computer byscanning something.If it doesn't come out well, it just means that you need to adjust your settings in Kurzweil. We can teach you how to do that. 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