For me, the ironic thing, is as I have gotten good at catching errors and turing on and off my internal proofreader, smile, I have the burning desire to fix errors in books that I am not editing, smile.
This is coming from the person who hates spell check so take it as you will, smile.
Shelley L. Rhodes, VRT Guide dogs for the Blind Alumni Association www.guidedogs.comReading a book is like rewriting it for yourself. You bring to a novel, anything you read, all your experience of the world. You bring your history and you read it in your own terms. -Angela Carter, novelist and journalist (1940-1992)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: On Roger's commentsRE: Re: Books with HOLDs
No, I didn't say that I couldn't proofread a book and enjoy it. I said that when a book is of particular interest to me I would prefer to just read it and concentrate on the content rather than finding errors to correct. Let's face it, one activity is a distraction from the other. Several people on this list have commented that if they get really into a book they tend to miss the errors. The reverse is also true. If you are really into looking for errors you can miss some of the gist of the book. It is true that I can proofread and pretty well comprehend the content, but I am still a bit distracted. I certainly do not fail to enjoy the book or even the process of proofing. It's just that it is sometimes something of a relief to just relax and absorb the ideas without worrying about catching errors . It is also a matter of the fact that certain books require more concentration than others. I can much more easily absorb the content of fiction while proofing than I can a complex piece of nonfiction. I suppose that is why I differentiated between a book that I was really interested in and a book that I was just interested in. I am not nearly as distracted from the content of a novel by proofing than I would be from a complex history or theoretical political work. "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. AnthonyThe Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] On Roger's commentsRE: Re: Books with HOLDsHi, you said that you couldn't proofread a book and enjoy reading it becauseyou had to check for errors, thus detracting from your enjoyment of thebook. I know that, because I'm interested in reading the books, I can readthe book and enjoy it even though I'm checking for errors. The reader isthere having a great time when the error-spotter turns on and says" "okay,found this, now this should be changed, deleted, etc." I can't juggleanything at all well, but I've noticed, because of the way I proofread i.e.,speech plus Braille, there is that balance between reading and spotting errors. I am very picky when it comes to that, but I can still enjoy the book. Regards, Kim. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran BaileySent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:29 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs That's what I was thinking. I can proofread only one book at a time and I really don't need to fill up my five checked out books limit. If one hasfive books checked out and then a whole lot of books on hold then I tend to think that person is biting off a bit more than he or she can chew. So far I have not had a book held for me at all. When I am ready to proof another one I can just go to the checkout list and see what is available. Yes, every now and then someone does mention a book here or I see it on the checkout list that I might be interested in, but if I don't get to proof it I can always download it from the collection later and just read it. As a matter of fact, if it is something I am very interested in I would rather let someone elseproof it so that I can just read it and concentrate on the content rather than concentrate on looking for errors. Nevertheless, I do see some goodreasons for holds; I just haven't had one of those reasons apply to me yet and it does appear that the majority of the holds do not have those reasonsapplying to them either."I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do becauseI notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDsTo help get us back on track, I think two weeks is plenty of time for a person to download a book being held for them. After all, Carrie isn't saying you have two weeks to finish working on a book. You just have twoweeks to do the initial download of your held book. This is an experimentto see if a corrective measure will get books flowing again. It can be adjusted if it doesn't work. If you have five books in progress already so that you can't download a newone being held for you, your plate is full. It's like eating at a buffet.Nomatter how much you want to try many foods, you can only fit so much ontoone plate. You can't fit everything onto your plate. You have to eat what's there and then go back for seconds if you want to. Unless you urgently need credits, why not let another volunteer with no books at all work on one of yours? Yes, there are special circumstancessometimes, like with our sighted volunteers that are awaiting print booksor when the submitter may need to provide additional support for the proofreader. However, sometimes I see people with 25 to 30 books being held for them. It isn't because there's something wrong with the books that needsa certain skill. It's just because the two people like each other. There'snothing wrong with liking each other. There is something wrong with one person having 25 books to work on that they can't get to in a reasonable amount of time when others are available to help. Letting books sit for months before even beginning to work on them means that no one else can read that book while it's lying around. That harms the entire Bookshare membership since that book remains inaccessible until it's approved. Most people are using holds responsibly. This issue keeps cropping upbecause a few people are abusing the system. At one point, I only saw four books without holds on the entire first page of 100 titles. That's insane!Monica Willyard "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carrie Karnos Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:07 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs The limit of 5 books is an automated check that the system does, so I can't change that. But what I can do is not remove HOLDs on books in the checkoutqueue. If you want me to not remove a HOLD, please email me about it. What we're hoping to accomplish with removing HOLDs is for books to be put intothe system in a timely manner. Maybe the backstory will help make this more understandable.The reason that there's a maximum of 5 books is because in the past, there was no maximum, and of course, some members abused the system. They would check out 20 books and spend months working a little here, a little there,and eventually upload the books 6-12 months after they got them from the checkout queue. It was REALLY frustrating for submitters to have to wait solong for their books to go into the collection. And the other consequence was that one submitter would put a book in, someone would check it out and spend months on it. In the meantime, another submitter would put the samebook in the queue and another proofer would fix it up pronto, and upload the book, and I'd approve it. The first submitter would get nothing for his work, despite putting his book in before the second submitter.(The oldtimers already know all this, but I thought I'd mention it for thenewbies.)Anyway, let's give removing HOLDs a try and see how it goes. We can alwayschange the time limit if 2 weeks proves to be too short. Thanks to everyone for your comments and your perseverance in helping to make the scanning and proofing process better! Carrie _____ From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 8:13:43 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs Or to be able to ask Carrie or Pavi for a relax on the limit of 5 so it can be with you as time permits. that would work for me. Valerie On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Mike wrote:Since two weeks is the basic time for proofing/renewing a book, that wouldmean if your checkout limit is full, you have to finish something in the next two week period or lose the held book. That's a rather strictrequirement. I would say at least 4 weeks, maybe two months. If you knowyou can't get to it in two months, wouldn't it be just as easy for the submitter to just not submit it until you are ready?Misha siss52 wrote:I predict that most people will hate such a short span of time. Only twoweeks? Wow!!!titles languishing in the checkout queue for weeks, months and years, theSue S. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* Bookshare Vol Group <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:30 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Books with HOLDs Hi all, Since we've had loads of complaints about books with HOLDs in theirBookshare Collection Development department has instituted a new policy. Ifa book has been on the checkout list for more than 2 weeks with a HOLD in its title, I will remove the HOLD to allow other people to proof the book.prior to December 1st. This is to give people time to finish their currentOn January 1st, I will remove the HOLDs on all books that were submittedbooks and start on their new ones that have HOLDs on them. On January 15th, I'll remove the HOLDs on any books that were submitted during December, and then the 2-week rule will go into effect.I know that some people will love this, and other people will hate it.Let's try it for a while, and see how it goes. If the vast majority of people hate this, then we'll revisit it.one of the top suggestions in the volunteer survey that Pavi sent out. She is working on an email to be sent to everyone that details the results of the survey. The survey provided a huge amount of really valuable feedback,By the way, having a time limit on HOLD books in the checkout queue wasso thanks very much to everyone who participated in it!Happy holidays! Carrie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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