Hi, you said that you couldn't proofread a book and enjoy reading it because
you had to check for errors, thus detracting from your enjoyment of the
book. I know that, because I'm interested in reading the books, I can read
the book and enjoy it even though I'm checking for errors. The reader is
there having a great time when the error-spotter turns on and says" "okay,
found this, now this should be changed, deleted, etc." I can't juggle
anything at all well, but I've noticed, because of the way I proofread i.e.,
speech plus Braille, there is that balance between reading and spotting
errors. I am very picky when it comes to that, but I can still enjoy the
book. Regards, Kim.
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:29 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
That's what I was thinking. I can proofread only one book at a time and I
really don't need to fill up my five checked out books limit. If one has
five books checked out and then a whole lot of books on hold then I tend to
think that person is biting off a bit more than he or she can chew. So far I
have not had a book held for me at all. When I am ready to proof another one
I can just go to the checkout list and see what is available. Yes, every now
and then someone does mention a book here or I see it on the checkout list
that I might be interested in, but if I don't get to proof it I can always
download it from the collection later and just read it. As a matter of fact,
if it is something I am very interested in I would rather let someone else
proof it so that I can just read it and concentrate on the content rather
than concentrate on looking for errors. Nevertheless, I do see some good
reasons for holds; I just haven't had one of those reasons apply to me yet
and it does appear that the majority of the holds do not have those reasons
applying to them either.
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I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony
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From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
> To help get us back on track, I think two weeks is plenty of time for a
> person to download a book being held for them. After all, Carrie isn't
> saying you have two weeks to finish working on a book. You just have two
> weeks to do the initial download of your held book. This is an experiment
> to
> see if a corrective measure will get books flowing again. It can be
> adjusted
> if it doesn't work.
>
> If you have five books in progress already so that you can't download a
> new
> one being held for you, your plate is full. It's like eating at a buffet.
> No
> matter how much you want to try many foods, you can only fit so much onto
> one plate. You can't fit everything onto your plate. You have to eat
> what's
> there and then go back for seconds if you want to.
>
> Unless you urgently need credits, why not let another volunteer with no
> books at all work on one of yours? Yes, there are special circumstances
> sometimes, like with our sighted volunteers that are awaiting print books
> or
> when the submitter may need to provide additional support for the
> proofreader. However, sometimes I see people with 25 to 30 books being
> held
> for them. It isn't because there's something wrong with the books that
> needs
> a certain skill. It's just because the two people like each other. There's
> nothing wrong with liking each other. There is something wrong with one
> person having 25 books to work on that they can't get to in a reasonable
> amount of time when others are available to help. Letting books sit for
> months before even beginning to work on them means that no one else can
> read
> that book while it's lying around. That harms the entire Bookshare
> membership since that book remains inaccessible until it's approved.
>
> Most people are using holds responsibly. This issue keeps cropping up
> because a few people are abusing the system. At one point, I only saw four
> books without holds on the entire first page of 100 titles. That's insane!
>
> Monica Willyard
> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carrie Karnos
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:07 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
>
>
> The limit of 5 books is an automated check that the system does, so I
> can't
> change that. But what I can do is not remove HOLDs on books in the
> checkout
> queue. If you want me to not remove a HOLD, please email me about it. What
> we're hoping to accomplish with removing HOLDs is for books to be put into
> the system in a timely manner. Maybe the backstory will help make this
> more
> understandable.
>
> The reason that there's a maximum of 5 books is because in the past, there
> was no maximum, and of course, some members abused the system. They would
> check out 20 books and spend months working a little here, a little there,
> and eventually upload the books 6-12 months after they got them from the
> checkout queue. It was REALLY frustrating for submitters to have to wait
> so
> long for their books to go into the collection. And the other consequence
> was that one submitter would put a book in, someone would check it out and
> spend months on it. In the meantime, another submitter would put the same
> book in the queue and another proofer would fix it up pronto, and upload
> the
> book, and I'd approve it. The first submitter would get nothing for his
> work, despite putting his book in before the second submitter.
> (The oldtimers already know all this, but I thought I'd mention it for the
> newbies.)
>
> Anyway, let's give removing HOLDs a try and see how it goes. We can always
> change the time limit if 2 weeks proves to be too short.
>
> Thanks to everyone for your comments and your perseverance in helping to
> make the scanning and proofing process better!
>
> Carrie
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 8:13:43 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with HOLDs
>
> Or to be able to ask Carrie or Pavi for a relax on the limit of 5 so it
> can
> be with you as time permits. that would work for me.
>
> Valerie
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>> Since two weeks is the basic time for proofing/renewing a book, that
>> would
> mean if your checkout limit is full, you have to finish something in the
> next two week period or lose the held book. That's a rather strict
> requirement. I would say at least 4 weeks, maybe two months. If you know
> you can't get to it in two months, wouldn't it be just as easy for the
> submitter to just not submit it until you are ready?
>>
>> Misha
>>
>> siss52 wrote:
>>> I predict that most people will hate such a short span of time. Only
>>> two
> weeks? Wow!!!
>>> Sue S.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* Bookshare Vol Group <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:30 PM
>>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Books with HOLDs
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Since we've had loads of complaints about books with HOLDs in their
> titles languishing in the checkout queue for weeks, months and years, the
> Bookshare Collection Development department has instituted a new policy.
> If
> a book has been on the checkout list for more than 2 weeks with a HOLD in
> its title, I will remove the HOLD to allow other people to proof the book.
>>>
>>> On January 1st, I will remove the HOLDs on all books that were submitted
> prior to December 1st. This is to give people time to finish their current
> books and start on their new ones that have HOLDs on them. On January
> 15th,
> I'll remove the HOLDs on any books that were submitted during December,
> and
> then the 2-week rule will go into effect.
>>>
>>> I know that some people will love this, and other people will hate it.
> Let's try it for a while, and see how it goes. If the vast majority of
> people hate this, then we'll revisit it.
>>>
>>> By the way, having a time limit on HOLD books in the checkout queue was
> one of the top suggestions in the volunteer survey that Pavi sent out. She
> is working on an email to be sent to everyone that details the results of
> the survey. The survey provided a huge amount of really valuable feedback,
> so thanks very much to everyone who participated in it!
>>>
>>> Happy holidays! Carrie
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