[bksvol-discuss] Re: New proofreading requirements: quotes, ellipses, and dashes

From: "Gary Petraccaro" <garypet130@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 06:19:44 -0400
That sounds to me like leave the book alone for the most part.  Btw, not having 
Word, does K1000 not show superscript or just not say it?

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  From: Cindy Rosenthal 
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  What would make that difficult is that the footnote itself is so far from 
where in the text one wold want to put it; otherwise it would be no more 
difficult than what we do with picture or caption.


   I guess, though, if Kurzweill doesn't recognize superscript numbers  for the 
reader the system of  space asterisk number space is what we should go back to; 
 or is Kim's option number 2 better?  space footnote number space -- wouldn't 
that cause confusion, make it seem the number is part of the text itself? or d 
oes the context make it clear that it's a footnote number? I'll be working soon 
on a couple of books that will have a lot of footnote numbers

   Cindy




  On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Roger Loran Bailey 
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    I doubt that this will be adopted, but as a reader I would prefer footnotes 
to be inserted into the text where the reference is made to them with the words 
beginning of footnote at their beginning and the words end of footnote at their 
end. As a volunteer, though, I don't think I would like the hassle of making it 
that way. That would be a lot of extra work.


    On 5/27/2014 12:07 PM, Kim Friedman wrote:

      Hi Deborah, I too am proceeding differently when it comes to reading 
books. I have a BrailleNote mPower, but now I’m reading books with my Focus 40 
blue Braille display using Kurzweil to do it. I had to make a setting so the 
reading voice would be quiet while I’m reading with the display. The display 
has a few quirks about it. For one thing, if I write in a dot 4, what will I 
get? Now we have to contend with the changes wrought by BANA and the UEBC (or 
whatever the heck it’s called). Regards, Kim Friedman.



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      Hi Kim, Richard, et al,



      I'm curious, too, regarding the identification of superscripted footnote 
numbers using various AT reading devices. I read a lot of Bookshare books using 
Kurzweil 1000, and it doesn't recognize superscript as far as I can tell. I 
also can't create a superscript in K1000 when I'm scanning/proofing my books.

      I wonder who is doing the testing and on what equipment. Madeleine?



      As to formatting the footnote section at the bottom of a page...

      We are supposed to re-connect words split across pages, but not 
sentences. I know, it can make reading a bit clunky, but that's the rule.



      A while back some folks wanted us to insert [Begin footnots], or 
something similar where the page transitions to footnotes. Most of us who 
expressed an opinion were NOT in favor of the extra verbiage, and we were told 
not to do so at that time.

      When I'm formatting a book I scan, I insert a line of asterisks between 
the end of the body text and the section of footnotes at the bottom of the 
page, just like we're supposed to do to indicate other transitions. I think any 
more than that is too intrusive. 

      I guess I don't think it's too  much to ask readers of BS books to know 
how to use their equipment and software. It really isn't that hard to figure 
out where the footnotes begin as long as there is some indicator of the blank 
line that usually appears in a print book. 



      Deborah



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      Hi Richard, interesting question. I’d like to know the answer myself. Any 
takers? Regards, Kim Friedman.



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      Can I ask this?



      As a reader, then, of the books from Bookshare, when the footnotes are in 
there, and with the number and the super script, how does the reader know that 
is what they are getting to?  



      In my experience, I can be reading a sentence near the bottom of the 
page, and it drops off and you come to the footnotes. 

      2 questions.

      1. When this occurs does the instructions say to make that sentence 
complete before the footnote, by grabbing the text on the next page, or 
something like that?

      2. Would it be so bad to just have the text word Footnote before the 
footnote’s numeral? And in brackets?



      Sorry if this is off topic. Or covered already somewhere before.

      Perhaps I just need to be a better reader.



      Thanks.

      Richard
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