[bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!

  • From: Cindy Ray <cindyray@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 12:57:38 -0500

I'm pretty sure what I suggested was not helpful so scratch it. LOL.

CL

On Aug 7, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:

> Hi Valerie and Mary,
>  
> I appreciate your help and comments. 
>  
> First, Mary, how are paragraphs designated with the other recognition 
> engines?  I was pretty sure the blank line (which is in the print book) was 
> what Kurzweil also gave me when I used it a couple of generations ago.  Can 
> you recommend a better recognition engine?  I can upgrade Openbook, but am 
> not terribly inclined to purchase something else expensive for a volunteer 
> job.  I love scanning and proofing, but I'm a retired person.  So if you know 
> of a different way to handle this, I'm open to it--as long as it doesn't 
> break the bank! *smile*
>  
> The issue with the paragraphs has to do with scanning the book and saving it 
> as an RTF.  I'm pretty sure that, before I save the file the first time, all 
> the paragraph marks are there and everything's good.  But I checked my 
> scanned file last night, and now, whether I bring it up in Openbook or Word, 
> 2003 or 2007 (I have both) it has still stripped the paragraph marks.  This 
> seems to be a function of saving the file in RTF.  Openbook warns me that 
> "Saving the file in this format may" strip some of the characteristics--but 
> who would think that would mean paragraphs?!
>  
> For my own purposes I've always just used Openbook in its own format or in 
> Word, which leaves paragraphs in.  Woud it work to save it as a Word file, 
> then convert it to RTF?
>  
> Just wanted to let you both know I'm still working on this and trying to come 
> up with an answer!  I so enjoyed doing my first two books--and I hate that 
> it's made so much work for you, Valerie!
>  
> Sandi
>    
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mayrie ReNae
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:43 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!
> 
> Hi Valerie,
>  
> Yes, I've noticed that scans done with OpenBook have a blank line between 
> paragraphs too.  I never found this to be a problem, except for the times 
> when I'd like to be able to easily see where white space between scenes 
> should have been in the book, and can't always find this in scans done with 
> OpenBook.  But maybe I'm remembering incorrectly as I think it's been three 
> years since I proofread a scan created by OpenBook.  That's a long, long time 
> technologically speaking, and things often change for the better.
>  
> Hope you all can figure out how to fix the paragraphing issues.  Perhaps a 
> different recognition engine would do a more accurate    job?  Just a thought.
>  
> Happy scanning and proofreading everyone!
>  
> Mayrie
>  
>  
> 
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:56 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!
> 
> Thanks, Mayrie! I knew you could help her with the ASCII replacement.
> 
> The odd thing is it isn't all paragraphing missing, but every page has some 
> problem and some pages have no paragraphs. In this particular case, I have 
> little reason to believe it is the book since it is a clear, high quality 
> print.
> 
> When paragraphing is present, there is a blank line between paragraphs, 
> something I think routine in Open Book and easily stripped.
> 
> Valerie
> 
> 
> On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> 
>> Hi Valerie and Sandi,
>>  
>> Thanks, Valerie, for clarifying exactly what you're seeing.  All right 
>> quotes is very weird, but is consistent with what I used to see when 
>> proofreading scans done with OpenBook.  I have no idea why OpenBook does 
>> that particular odd thing.
>>  
>> Here is the find and replace sequence for replacing smart quotes with 
>> regular quotes, Sandi.  I should have included it in my last note.  Just in 
>> case turning off the autoformatting doesn't fix the problem completely.
>>  
>> I'm including instructions for removing both opening and closing quotes just 
>> for the sake of thoroughness.  I suggest running both steps, just in case it 
>> helps, and because it only takes about five extra seconds to do the extra 
>> step.
>>  
>> I hope it helps and that you can figure out why all of your paragraph marks 
>> disappeared.  I've never seen that before except with Kurzweil 3000.  Good 
>> luck, and happy scanning and proofreading!
>>  
>> See below for the instructions for find and replace in Word to replace smart 
>> quotes with regular quotes.
>>  
>> Mayrie
>>  
>> Convert smart quotes to standard quotes
>> To Remove Smart Quotes Using Find And Replace:
>> In the find box type: ^0147
>> In the replace box type: ^0034
>> Replace all.
>> In the find box type: ^0148
>> In the replace box type: ^0034
>> Replace all.
>> 
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:44 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!
>> 
>> And just for everyone's information, aside from many (not all) pages missing 
>> many or all paragraph breaks and the only right quotes appearing so grammar 
>> check told her to eliminate the preceding space, Sadi did an amazing job for 
>> first projects, including being a real sweetheart and moving pagination to 
>> the top to help me navigate easier.
>> 
>> So glad to have another enthusiastic scanner, so hope someone can help her 
>> determine if there is a setting to better retain paragraphing in particular. 
>>  also, if someone (Mayrie?) can give Sandi the ASCII code for right curly to 
>> be substituted with straight quotes in a global find and replace before she 
>> edits, that would be helpful.  Odd that they all appeared to be right quotes…
>> 
>> Thanks, folks!
>> 
>> Valerie
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Group,
>>>  
>>> I have received excellent feedback from my first two scanned books, and 
>>> they contained a problem I'd rather not perpetuate.
>>>  
>>> Somewhere in the process, my document was stripped of paragraph breaks.  I 
>>> promise I did not do this with keystrokes or menus.  Also, the quotation 
>>> marks are curly rather than straight.
>>>  
>>> I use Word 2007 and OpenBook 8 at this point for scanning and correction.  
>>> I scanned in RTF, and the text came out really well.
>>>  
>>> What is happening to cause this problem?
>>>  
>>> If you can help, please either reply to this message or e-mail me off-list 
>>> atsjryan2@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>  
>>> Thanks much.
>>>  
>>> Sandi
>>>  
>> 
> 
>

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