[bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!

  • From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 12:48:59 -0700

I am using Openbook 7.02 and when I convert to .rtf I do not lose the paragraph 
marks. Don't know if it is different with newer versions of Openbook, but I 
doubt it.
I am still using Windows XP.
There are two recognition engines in OPenbook 7.02 and more in 8.0.
You can choose which recognition program to use when scanning.

Lori C.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sandi Ryan 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:53 AM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!


  Hi Valerie and Mary,

  I appreciate your help and comments.  

  First, Mary, how are paragraphs designated with the other recognition 
engines?  I was pretty sure the blank line (which is in the print book) was 
what Kurzweil also gave me when I used it a couple of generations ago.  Can you 
recommend a better recognition engine?  I can upgrade Openbook, but am not 
terribly inclined to purchase something else expensive for a volunteer job.  I 
love scanning and proofing, but I'm a retired person.  So if you know of a 
different way to handle this, I'm open to it--as long as it doesn't break the 
bank! *smile*

  The issue with the paragraphs has to do with scanning the book and saving it 
as an RTF.  I'm pretty sure that, before I save the file the first time, all 
the paragraph marks are there and everything's good.  But I checked my scanned 
file last night, and now, whether I bring it up in Openbook or Word, 2003 or 
2007 (I have both) it has still stripped the paragraph marks.  This seems to be 
a function of saving the file in RTF.  Openbook warns me that "Saving the file 
in this format may" strip some of the characteristics--but who would think that 
would mean paragraphs?!

  For my own purposes I've always just used Openbook in its own format or in 
Word, which leaves paragraphs in.  Woud it work to save it as a Word file, then 
convert it to RTF?

  Just wanted to let you both know I'm still working on this and trying to come 
up with an answer!  I so enjoyed doing my first two books--and I hate that it's 
made so much work for you, Valerie!

  Sandi
      
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Mayrie ReNae 
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:43 PM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!


    Hi Valerie,

    Yes, I've noticed that scans done with OpenBook have a blank line between 
paragraphs too.  I never found this to be a problem, except for the times when 
I'd like to be able to easily see where white space between scenes should have 
been in the book, and can't always find this in scans done with OpenBook.  But 
maybe I'm remembering incorrectly as I think it's been three years since I 
proofread a scan created by OpenBook.  That's a long, long time technologically 
speaking, and things often change for the better.

    Hope you all can figure out how to fix the paragraphing issues.  Perhaps a 
different recognition engine would do a more accurate job?  Just a thought.

    Happy scanning and proofreading everyone!

    Mayrie





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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
    Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 2:56 PM
    To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!


    Thanks, Mayrie! I knew you could help her with the ASCII replacement. 


    The odd thing is it isn't all paragraphing missing, but every page has some 
problem and some pages have no paragraphs. In this particular case, I have 
little reason to believe it is the book since it is a clear, high quality print.


    When paragraphing is present, there is a blank line between paragraphs, 
something I think routine in Open Book and easily stripped.


    Valerie




    On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:


      Hi Valerie and Sandi,

      Thanks, Valerie, for clarifying exactly what you're seeing.  All right 
quotes is very weird, but is consistent with what I used to see when 
proofreading scans done with OpenBook.  I have no idea why OpenBook does that 
particular odd thing.

      Here is the find and replace sequence for replacing smart quotes with 
regular quotes, Sandi.  I should have included it in my last note.  Just in 
case turning off the autoformatting doesn't fix the problem completely.

      I'm including instructions for removing both opening and closing quotes 
just for the sake of thoroughness.  I suggest running both steps, just in case 
it helps, and because it only takes about five extra seconds to do the extra 
step.

      I hope it helps and that you can figure out why all of your paragraph 
marks disappeared.  I've never seen that before except with Kurzweil 3000.  
Good luck, and happy scanning and proofreading!

      See below for the instructions for find and replace in Word to replace 
smart quotes with regular quotes.

      Mayrie

      Convert smart quotes to standard quotes
      To Remove Smart Quotes Using Find And Replace:
      In the find box type: ^0147
      In the replace box type: ^0034
      Replace all.
      In the find box type: ^0148
      In the replace box type: ^0034
      Replace all.



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      From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
      Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:44 PM
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help with Software, Please!


      And just for everyone's information, aside from many (not all) pages 
missing many or all paragraph breaks and the only right quotes appearing so 
grammar check told her to eliminate the preceding space, Sadi did an amazing 
job for first projects, including being a real sweetheart and moving pagination 
to the top to help me navigate easier. 


      So glad to have another enthusiastic scanner, so hope someone can help 
her determine if there is a setting to better retain paragraphing in 
particular.  also, if someone (Mayrie?) can give Sandi the ASCII code for right 
curly to be substituted with straight quotes in a global find and replace 
before she edits, that would be helpful.  Odd that they all appeared to be 
right quotes.


      Thanks, folks!


      Valerie




      On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:


        Hi Group,

        I have received excellent feedback from my first two scanned books, and 
they contained a problem I'd rather not perpetuate.

        Somewhere in the process, my document was stripped of paragraph breaks. 
 I promise I did not do this with keystrokes or menus.  Also, the quotation 
marks are curly rather than straight.

        I use Word 2007 and OpenBook 8 at this point for scanning and 
correction.  I scanned in RTF, and the text came out really well.

        What is happening to cause this problem?

        If you can help, please either reply to this message or e-mail me 
off-list atsjryan2@xxxxxxxxxx

        Thanks much.

        Sandi

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