Good points Monica. I'd also like to recommend for beginners, books scanned by Jim Pardee and Tom Hawkins. Both of these gentlemen are on the lists last I looked and Tom is very accessible to validators. Shannon "The world is your garden from which you remove weeds of doubt and replace them with seeds of hope." http://reecespeeces.net/blogs To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.