Bob has an excellent idea. I don't usually put in "me too" messages because this list gets so many messages as it is, but the idea of being able to see the results of the converter would be really helpful, I think.
Misha Bob wrote:
Valerie, I totally agree with you. For some time, I have been lobbying for some way for us to run our books through the converter before submitting it.I don't care so much what the tools do as long as I know what they do, (I hate surprises and wasted time).Bob"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of us will live on in the future we make,"Senator Edward M. Kennedy----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples" <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Feeling like a fool!Try #2; first one vanished into cyberspace. Frowns.And here-in lies a huge problem. if I am not a member, how would I know it had not kept my italics and bold? there should be a way for us to see the final product if we choose to view it for errors in the "stripping process. How do you begin to report a problem when it is massive amounts of text altered. In this case I was the proofreader and I have looked at my text and TONS of italics were stripped.I have to get Nichole to bed, but I must say one of my biggest gripes is that there appears no way to preserve a table of contents for sighted readers. Accessible to all is not remotely accessible to kids with visual discrimination problems. Kids who need the most support in developing their literacy skills like the very early skill of locating something on a TOC are never going to find page numbers with the number only one space after the chapter title. It is easy to say your software makes adjustments, but the two tools for students, Don Johnston Read Out Loud BookShare edition or XML are not configurable to these ends, not to mention communication device users like Nichole. These kids cannot search and find independently, especially not more cognitively impaired or severely physically handicapped kids.I like that XML has some kind of page delimiter, But neither format appears to retain our bracketed text alerting the reader that pictures are missing or a page is blank. Only a number with no space or notification. Very confusing to kids who are already struggling readers...Enough for now... I will lick my wounds and know little of what i have submitted remotely resembles the finished product.Valerie On 11 01, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:Hi Valerie, Your italics should have been preserved. This particular issue needs to be reported. I'm sorry that you didn't know that everything would be leftjustified. I thought you knew that. The paragraph set up is supposed to bedetermined by the reader of the book and his or her chosen adaptivesoftware. XML files will have a blank line between paragraphs, but if you want that blank line to be noted in the daisy or braille file, it needs tobe replased with three asterisks. Italics should be kept by bookshare's tools, and reported if theyhaven't been. Bold should be kept by bookshare's conversion tools, andreported if it hasn't been. But page set up adaptations have alwaysdisappeared. I wish we'd somehow been more clear in explaining that to you.I'm sorry you wasted time and energy. I'm so sorry. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie MaplesSent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:55 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Pavi Mehta Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Feeling like a fool!Okay, I admit, I am a jump in kind of gal and try really hard to absorb everything I can and learn as I go how to get better. Because i am not a member, I had never seen what my proofs or scans look like after they leave me. After comments this week that finally sunk in, I asked Nichole if she minded if we downloaded a book I had proofed so we could compare the twoversions. We chose Mosaic by Amy Grant because of the heavy formatting due to lyrics, interjected reflections and other strong visual elements.Well, let me tell you, all those hours of formatting were all for naught and there is no way someone can tell what are lyrics, where chorus and refrain switch or anything else. It did not even retain many of my italic sections.Why is this? A child with visual discrimination issues will be totally lostbecause paragraphing is not apparent and without style transitions you cannot differentiate form. My heart is broken that all my work was wasted and I want to know whyvirtually everything is lost, all is left justified, and even if a wholepage I submit is appropriately in italics, maybe only one or two lines appeared in italics. There is no rhyme or reason I can see to thecapricious application and want to know how to present so visual readers are not lost in endless, non-differentiated text. why even bother with RTFthen? A very disappointed Valerie To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list ofavailable commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxput the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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