Hi, Roger, I am one of these people who falls asleep when I have to read a
manual. By proofreading, I'm learning some controls in Microsoft Word 2003
that I didn't know or forgot. In the '90's, I went to an occupational center
to learn how to use the computer. The problem was that the computer wasn't
accessible and a sighted person had to read the screen over my shoulder. Not
a thing to make one feel capable or competent. So I can say I was
intimidated and insecure when it came to computers. I didn't have any idea
what a computer should have, even. Do I know what I'd need if I had to buy
one? I sort of know in a general way, but you can't call me by any stretch
of the imagination a techie. I think you have a bit of an advantage over me
because you remember print and what it's like. I have handled
three-dimensional representations of block print letters but have never seen
print. I learned to type in fifth grade and I'm typing now on this computer,
but I don't know what print books are like. I know they're between covers
and the print can be written in different styles, but I don't understand
those styles. I too didn't get on the Internet until last year because I
didn't have a computer then. One thing I'd also like to understand and
that's computer audio (another thing that intimidates me). I think what
helps me is being able to talk to other users who can translate what they
know from computerese into English. One thing I have done is to write down
procedures in language I can understand so it is there in case I need to do
a particular thing again, e.g., how to defrag a computer disk. I'm glad I
wrote that one down. Also, there are some web sites where downloading stuff
is easy whereas other web sites are more difficult. One thing I can promise
you is if I know something you don't know, I will do my best to explain it
to you. I think that two-way conversation is very effective when it comes
down to understanding things because if you ask a question they can clarify
things for you, at least it helps me. Regards, Kim. P.S.: I hope you have
more friends who can help you out. I applaud your ability to parse out what
to do, but I think things go a lot faster once you have a support group of
people who are routing for you. K.
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:17 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: unable to scan yada yada Prayer Group Gets
Decked Out (book 7)
Why am I worried about it? Well, I don't suppose I am really worried. It
just kind of bothers me that someone is afraid of tackling something that I
am almost certain the person will find quite easy once it is tackled. Really
, it is not that hard. And even if it does turn out to be not something you
want to continue with you can always stop. I say that with knowledge of my
own experience. I first got a computer back in the 1990s and I was really
lucky to be able to figure out how to even plug it in. I was completely on
my own with no help whatsoever, but I had spent a good bit of money on it
and I was determined to learn how to use it. Amazingly enough there was a
telephone number in the material I got with it for technical support. I
never called it because I didn't even know what it was for and the word
technical made me think that whatever it was for it was something beyond me.
Well, I had the version of open book installed on that computer that was
current then and I did manage to learn how to use it. I even scanned several
books for myself. The trouble is that Open Book was about the only thing I
ever learned how to do with it. In 2003 I started with another computer and
had Internet for the first time. Again, I had to teach myself, but knowledge
builds on knowledge, so the learning was getting easier and easier. I can
still say, though, that the learning experiences left me mentally exhausted.
When I got on the Internet I checked out Bookshare at least once or twice,
but at the time I was a bit put off by the up front 75 dollars and I started
to read the help pages, but they weren't much help because I didn't even
understand them. I even remembered emailing Bookshare support and asking a
question and then when I got an answer I did not understand the answer. In
about July of 2008 there were certain reasons that I was getting fed up with
RFB&D. I resolved those problems, though, and I am still using RFB&D. But I
decided to check out Bookshare again. Well, by that time I had learned
enough about computers that I found myself actually understanding the help
pages this time. After reading up on the site for a while I decided to give
proofreading a try. It turned out to be really simple, but when I tried to
upload my first effort I couldn't do it. I then subscribed to the volunteer
list and asked what I was doing wrong. Bob gave me detailed enough
instructions that I was successful and then I became enthusiastic about
proofreading and started to do other books. Now the computer I now have has
Open Book 6.0 installed on it but I had never used it. It was another case
of looking into it when I first got the computer and finding that it was
nothing like the version I had taught myself to use earlier and I did not
understand it. If I had looked at the help menues I wouldn't have understood
that either, but I did not even know how to look at the help menues. I can
say that I had a fear of trying even after I was volunteering for Bookshare.
Other volunteers did urge me to try, though, and in about January of 2009 I
did try scanning a book. Interestingly enough by then I knew where to go to
look at the help menues and I read them. The first reading was kind of
cryptic for me though. I then went back and read one section at a time and
made myself understand it before going on and pretty soon I had scanned and
submitted my first book. It was Revolution for the Hell of It by Abbie
Hoffman and if you download it and if the proofer has not done a perfect job
you will see that my more recent scans are a lot better, but, well, we all
have to take baby steps. Now, I prefer to submit than proof. That is because
if I pick out a book to scan I am much more likely to find one I am actually
interested in rather than by relying on other people's preferences by
picking them out of the checkout list. Now, I see you in a similar position
to my own. You don't think you know anything about scanning and it seems so
much of a daunting task to you that you are afraid to start. I also see you
in a much more advanced state of computer knowledge than I was when I
started to scan. With all the trepidation I had when I started it turned out
to not be that bad after all. I am almost certain that you will find it
easier to learn than I did because you already know so much more than I did
when I started. I expect that you will certainly get stuck along the way
here and there, but you have the volunteer list full of people using the
same kind of equipment you have and I am sure that they can work with you to
help you over those rough spots. Try it. You might like it.
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because
I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony
The Militant:
http://www.themilitant.com
Pathfinder Press:
http://www.pathfinderpress.com
Granma International:
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: unable to scan yada yada Prayer Group Gets
Decked Out (book 7)
Dear Roger, I do thank you for your encouragement for me to scan
books. I wanted to help Valerie out. I promise you, I'll scan stuff
when I'm ready to tackle it. Regards, Kim. P.S.: Why are you worried
about this? K.
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:35 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: unable to scan yada yada Prayer Group
Gets Decked Out (book 7)
Kim, if you are going to buy books then rather than buying them for
someone else to scan why don't you just buy them and scan them
yourself?
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do
because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan
B. Anthony
The Militant:
http://www.themilitant.com
Pathfinder Press:
http://www.pathfinderpress.com
Granma International:
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: unable to scan yada yada Prayer Group
Gets Decked Out (book 7)
Hi, Valerie, the offer is still open if Jamie can't get it for you.
Regards,
Kim.
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie
Maples
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:28 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: unable to scan yada yada Prayer Group
Gets Decked Out (book 7)
You are sweet, Kim! If Jamie cannot get it at her library that would
be great! If Jamie can get this one, I can proof from the bubbled
copy as print is legible, just not working out for OCR.
Thanks bunches, and hopefully Jamie will respond if it is available
to her when she has time to scan.
Have a great day!
Valerie
On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Kim Friedman wrote:
Hi, Valerie, Kim here. Would you like me to find it for you on
Amazon.com. I could buy it for you and send it to your address if
you write me back with it. Then you can scan your book for Bookshare.
Regards,
Kim.
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie
Maples
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 3:19 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Cindy
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] unable to scan yada yada Prayer Group Gets
Decked Out (book 7)
I regret to say that I will be unable to scan yada yada Prayer Group
Gets Decked Out (book 7) because of water damage to the paper back.
There is enough warping on the pages that I was unaware of to make
it too much work to produce viable scans for OCR. I would be more
than willing in the future, though, to check the book out again and
proofread. Cindy, if you could please remove it from the being
scanned
group, I would be very grateful.
Sorry to anyone for the inconvenience.
Valerie Maples
currently scanning: who do i talk to?, Red Suit diaries, Seven Days
at Oak Valley, Engineering the Preschool Environment for Interactive
Symbolic Communication
currently proofing: Ten Days to Self-Esteem, My Dog Pulls, what Do
I Do?, The Amaranth Enchantment, The Shifter
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