On top of all that I still have to say that ANY light is 'deleterious' to complete dark adaption, which takes ~45 minutes to get down to the very bottom of the curve. You just go thru the lower part of the 20-minute curve again and again when you turn from your star charts to your eyepiece and back (some a greater section of the curve than others, right Russ? :-)) Any more than say, 200-300 photons coming in, and you walk back up the curve to the 10 to 20 minute adapted level. If you enjoyed seeing the little companion to Rigel, for instance, (aperture size will work against you!) that'll send you up to <10 minutes dark adaptation with a dot in the middle of your vision. If you get a half million photons from a momentary flash from someone's backup lights, you get to start over. Sorry, but we've got to dig down in our astronomy junk and haul out that eyepatch. Use it to preserve your favorite observing eye when you hunt for something on the charts or laptop or DSCs, and then switch it over to your chart eye when you look into the eyepiece. If you don't believe it's effective, look at the background field in your eyepiece and then switch to your starchart eye. See a difference? The greater the difference, the worse you are polluting yourself with your chosen flashlight of whatever color or brightness. Jack Jones Saguaro Astronomy Club Lunar List Awards and Messier Marathon Co-coordinator Phoenix AZ spicastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > I think the reason that red light is less deleterious to dark adaptation is > that rods are less sensitive to red light than are cones. Light bleaches > Tom -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.