Then why bother with a refractor. Celestron had the C5 Schmidt Cass they marketed for years and produced decent color free images. The Orion Achro Doublet is OK but being an Achro suffers from Chromatic Aberration with the corresponding loss in contrast due to CA and Sphero Chromatism. Again the fix is simple a Newtonian has all the advantages and the cost in the most minimal. Both the Orion Achro and APO are relatively long for their size. If what you are looking for is a quick setup scope for the moon or planets then to me it would be the Newtonian. The big plus for the short focal length APO is the portability and the high contrast available when you want to take the instrument to high powers. Of course if your interested in wide field Astro-Photography with 35mm or the 6X7 film format or CCD then the APO is the way to fly. Last I might mention that a lot of people don't see the Chromatic aberration in the doublets. Its come to mind that a lot of Americans out there are color blind. So a short focus Achromat is going to appear quite good. I have perfect color Vision and I find the color in the Achromat to really objectionable esp at the higher powers. I've come to this conclusion because of all the reports I've read about how people just don't see the color error in the Achromat at all. Even when you explain it to them they still claim they just don't see it. Clear Skies Dwight L Bogan In a message dated 8/5/2006 6:13:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, stan_gorodenski@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: remember Orion had a 5" refractor that they called an ED(I think) 5-10(?) years ago. It was in a white tube and was fairly inexpensive. I looked through one at RTMC and it seemed good to me, but I am probably not hard to satisfy in this regard due to my ignorance of really super refractors. For some reason they stopped producing it. Last year when I was in NM I stayed overnight at the Oliver Lee Memorial state park south of Alamogordo. I got in late at night, and as luck would have it a person, Fred Sweeney, needed to have his vehicle jumped so he could charge the car battery in case he needed to take his wife to the hospital. He had an Orion 5" refractor set up. It had a white tube but was not the ED. Although not an ED I was impressed at the quality of the images, if you do not demand too much. When necessary, he used a lens from Orion that is supposed to reduce the chromatic abberation. If one is not too demanding, the Orion is probably a real bargain for the price. Stan -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.