Andrew; I had already made up my mind that I was NOT going to believe anyone who told me that the gigantic storm that I drove through to off that mountain went away by dark. So, you get to be the first person that I don't believe, if there are others, so be it. Just a short word about bandwidth on the Internet, I don't care how many people waste the time and email to try and convince me that any stars were seen on the second night at NASP.....it is all a conspiracy and it is not working. Clear Skies; (real ones) Steve stevecoe@xxxxxxxxx Author: Deep Sky Observing--The Astronomical Tourist --- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. If you wish to be removed from this list, send E-mail to: AZ-Observing-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, with the subject: unsubscribe. The list's archive is at: //www.freelists.org/archives/az-observing This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.