Rick and all, Flatiron was quiet on Saturday night. =20 As Andrew mentioned, there is a newly fenced-off area about one click = before the site housing several large mobile storage units with "ARIZONA = PORTABLE TOILETS" emblazoned on the side(s). No-one approached it all evening, = but its appearance is not good news. It looks like land development is imminent. We saw no ATVers close by, but the Hassayampa river bottom was teeming = with the gun-toting, beer-swilling rascals. It is the first time I have seen that. We heard no gunfire of any kind, from any distance. On an observational note, the light dome was monstrous, larger than I = ever remember. It extended to nearly the zenith--anything to the east was = not worth looking at. In short, Flatiron will soon be history as a viable observing site. I = think it already is. SAC needs to find a new site off I-10 farther to the = west, hopefully along the lines of Sentinel and Cherry Rd: ~5 miles or less = off the freeway, and easily accessible by any type of vehicle. Eagle Eye = almost fits the bill, but with no cell service it is really no good for me with = my current family situation. Matt =20 -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of = rtejera@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:46 AM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: Flatiron Saturday night Matt, Any reports of note? Rick -----Original Message----- From: Matt Luttinen [mailto:mluttinen@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:42 PM To: AZ-Observing mailing list Subject: [AZ-Observing] Flatiron Saturday night Lynn and I are heading out to Flatiron to check things out. We plan on getting there early and will talk to anyone we meet. Since it is almost certain that the people Andrew ran into were unaware = =3D that astronomers were nearby, we hope that a short chat will sort things out. Matt -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Type: application/ms-tnef -- File: winmail.dat -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and =3D please=3D20 send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and = please=20 send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.