As I looked for an online source for cheap snowmobile boots, I experienced a major "ah-hah". I remembered that the super-warm and comfy boots that snowboarders wear are basically the same design and concept as skimobile boots. The benefit is that these are available locally. I called Big 5 Sports and they have a number of styles on special for $59.95. I was not able to locate any generic snowmobile boots like the "cheapies" I used to wear but found some very good ones on line for $50.00. They are rated to -45F. That ought to be sufficient for 4 a.m. at Sentinel. Here's the link: http://www.snogear.com/ckxaklivikboot.htm I will post anyhting on generic chapies if I find them. A word of caution: These are for SERIOUS cold. Do not take only these boots as if it is not cold enough, you will sweat in them like crazy and the moisture will make your feet get cold. Didn't make it to Flatiron last night after all. Did anyone else? I'm now planning for Vekol tonight. See yah there. Tony Muller -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.