A few weeks ago Steve Coe started a thread about determining better numbers for sky-quality and visual magnitude limits. One way to get part of this information is to view a field of stars whose magnitudes are well determined. One such field is the sequence around the Ring Nebula observed by Arne Henden (USNO-Flagstaff), which I included in a 'Sky & Telescope' article a year or two ago. With several seasonal fields like that, one could have comparisons available all year. Similar data in the fields of several open and globular clusters are included in (unbashed advertisement coming...) Chris Luginbuhl's and my observing handbook. (There are of course other sources.) Another possibility is to use something near the celestial pole. Although visible on any night, it has the disadvantage of being relatively low in the sky, and not necessarily favorably placed with respect to light-pollution sources at other than fully dark sites. At any single site, however, it would have the advantage of consistency. You won't see as faint as is possible overhead, but the point is to assess the sky (not your skills) in some fixed manner. As part of calibration of the Guide Star Catalogue, a popular catalogue of stars in star-chart software, the Space Telescope Science Institute arranged to have magnitude sequences established near the center of every 6x6-deg or 5x5-deg Schmidt sky survey field for the entire sky. (This is called the 'Guide Star Photometric Catalogue', GSPC.) The one closest to the North Celestial Pole is in northernmost Ursa Minor, roughly 18h45m +88.8 near lambda UMi, and less than 1.5 deg from the Pole. Thus the change in altitude during the night or from season to season is small, and the field can be used for sky-quality checks. There are two series of GSPC calibration data. One was done in the early 1980s with just a handful of stars between mag. 8 and 15 for the original catalogue. More recently a survey has been made by taking a set of CCD images centered on the faintest GSPC star and using whatever other stars happen to be in the CCD frame to extend the sequence to fainter limits. Good quality photometry in the second batch usually reaches to mag. 16.5-17. The combined magnitude series is shown below. The stars P001-A to -G are the original set of stars, which are spread over roughly a half-degree field (low power in a telescope). The remaining stars (starting from P001-F) are from the second GSPC, and fall within about a 10'x10' field of the single large-telescope CCD frame, so can be viewed at high power visually. I show V magnitudes plus B-V and V-R colors, which can be ignored for visual use. I have omitted some of the fainter stars due to their having close companions that would be problematic. Faint stars with magnitude errors > 0.05 were also dropped, which cut everything fainter than mag. 15.8 except one suspect star. The resulting run of magnitudes is not especially smooth: you'd like them to occur at say 0.2-mag. intervals over the whole range. But depending on telescope aperture and sky conditions, there should be several useful stars to judge limits. At the very least, repeated views of the sequence will give you a good feeling for how bright different stars are in your telescope. Again this isn't about testing your skill but making a measurement of sky-quality in a consistent way. You'll find that even under the same conditions your limit will probably shift somewhat fainter on repeated visits until you've familiarized yourself with the field (after perhaps half a dozen visits on separate nights), then will stabilize given similar states of the sky. You can compare the limits at different magnifications, various amounts of light-pollution or crud in the air, and see how Moon phase affects your views in a quantitative way. It should be straightforward to extend this sequence _brighter_, so that it could be used for naked-eye and binocular checks. The bright end would be set by Polaris (V=2.02, a small-amplitude variable, but not obvious visually so the variation can be ignored), delta UMi (V=4.36), and lambda UMi (V=6.4, also slightly variable and red. A few other mag. 5 and 6 stars are north of +88 Dec. I wouldn't go any farther afield than this, but instead choose the remainder from within a degree or so radius from lambda UMi to extend the list to mag. 10. The Tycho-2 photometry (corrected to standard V) is good enough for this, although many stars close to the pole have more reliable data from other sources. Perhaps someone could make some suitable charts to go with this list to post at one of the club Web sites showing the stars in both direct and reverted orientations for telescope with even and odd numbers of reflections. \Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Telescopic magnitude sequence near the North Celestial Pole version: 27 Dec 2002 position sources (column 's'): T Tycho-2 G GSC-ACT g GSC-2.2 Name RA (J2000) Dec s GSC V B-V V-R remarks P001-A 18 08 11.80 +88 49 22.1 T 4660-0186 8.22 1.07 HD 187138 P001-B 19 14 45.55 +88 46 59.7 T 4660-0230 10.47 0.42 BD+88 119 P001-C 18 06 03.44 +88 42 00.9 T 4660-0130 11.17 0.53 N001-AAAE 18 47 46.20 +88 46 11.0 T 4660-0196 11.68 0.25 P001-D 18 08 53.10 +88 37 31.9 T 4660-0183 11.82 0.51 N001-AAAB 18 49 14.33 +88 41 40.6 G 4660-0052 12.22 0.74 N001-AAAI 18 27 06.65 +88 38 58.3 G 4660-0036 12.26 0.37 P001-E 18 19 44.33 +88 43 38.3 G 4660-0179 12.48 1.27 N001-AACC 18 27 37.39 +88 37 38.2 G 4660-0063 13.06 0.36 P001-F 18 43 02.95 +88 41 34.3 G 4660-0189 13.07 0.60 0.37 P001-G 18 35 15.19 +88 42 35.9 G 4660-0145 13.08 1.40 0.72 N001-AABV 18 38 56.30 +88 40 36.3 G 4660-0164 13.12 0.44 N001-AABZ 18 33 51.30 +88 39 02.6 G 4660-0049 13.17 0.59 N001-AABU 18 33 54.78 +88 40 37.3 G 4660-0226 13.48 0.53 N001-AABH 18 31 28.54 +88 45 04.8 G 4660-0111 13.70 0.38 N001-AABM 18 39 38.54 +88 42 59.7 G 4660-0001 13.94 0.60 N001-AABG 18 51 42.86 +88 46 25.5 G 4660-0153 13.96 0.47 N001-AABI 18 22 52.60 +88 44 25.8 G 4660-0022 14.33 0.41 N001-AABY 18 22 25.53 +88 38 57.3 G 4660-0110 14.64 0.32 N001-AACF 18 53 34.87 +88 38 13.6 g 15.17 0.49 N001-AACH 18 51 00.25 +88 37 13.1 g 15.58 0.44 N001-AACE 18 53 48.86 +88 38 52.5 g 15.67 0.63 N001-AABR 18 47 25.86 +88 42 08.5 g 15.77 0.48 N001-AAAP 18 35 16.65 +88 44 16.0 g 16.80 0.50 -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.