For me the discussion on the AAVSO distribution list is irrelevant. Let's also not forget that the AAVSO was behind times when it came to the photoelectric measurements of variable stars. Doug Hall's inability to get AAVSO to become active regarding PMT data resulted in his breaking off and starting the IAPPP (per Doug Hall at the IAPPP West meeting about 3 years ago). As I already stated, as for me the discussion in AAVSO is irrelevant. I already have a PMT and I am sure valuable work can still be done with it. I lean in the direction of a PMT over a CCD because of the spectral sensitivities Jeff mentioned, although I am sure owners of CCD's can make counter arguments. Lou Boyd, who is one of the major pioneers of automated telescopes, started the Fairborn observatory near Nogales and he collected valuable data for years using PMT's. I believe he still has PMT's, although he also offers CCD's because of the service he offers to astronomers. Also, Dick Lines, who passed away in 1991, had developed quite a reputation for himself with only a PMT. The year he passed away he received an award from the AAS in recognition of his work. If he were alive today I am sure he would still be using his PMT in Mayer, and doing valuable research with it. While there are some advantages to a CCD, such as the comparison star having a greater chance of being in the image, on the PMT side it is now possible for amateurs to fully automate their telescope. This is in the direction I want to head. Further, it seems to me that the CCD's greater utility, or callling, is in spectroscopy, rather than variable stars. This, I am sure, is debateable. As an aside, the Leonids were pretty dismal this year, at least during the short time I observed them. From 11:45 to 1:00 I saw only one medium sized meteor from the east to the west. I saw about 7 weaker ones from the west to the east. Maybe some saw more at another time during the night. Stan Steven Dodder wrote: >Thanks Brian. > I apologize for my brusquness, but I followed a rather spirited >discussion, several actually, on the AASO dist list on the >merits/discrepancies of PEP v. CCD not too long ago and felt a need to step >in, in defense of all the non-PEP-ers out there. Visual is nice, too. :-) > > > -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.