An easily accessible Milky Way was a real spark to curiosity in science. Science is not taught in grammar school at least not in the largest of Phoenix's school districts. There is actually a tremendous amount of very exciting space exploration going on--it's just not as newsworthy as Justin Bieber or who got murdered how. Telescoping seems to have increasingly given way to photographing through the telescope. Meade scopes seemed to have a hard time with that--+sending their production line off to another country probably didn't help. The couple of times I've had to deal with Meade lead me to believe they had a fairly crappy business model. On the other hand, I started out with an early 90's model 10" Starfinder Dob. After replacing the plastic focuser and rebuilding the collapsed dob-mount I was in heaven. It was a great affordable scope--it lives on with my ProjectAstro teacher. There seems to be plenty of telescope manufacturers doing ok to well. The independent ones always have a backlog. That article was just wrong on so many levels. This Saturday, July 20th is the 44th anniversary of that great step for mankind and I think Justin has a new girlfriend. Jennifer Polakis -----Original Message----- From: Jim Waters Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:33 AM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A sad fact Yep - I agree. I got my first telescope a Tasco 60mm refractor during the Gemini program. It was a doublet, air space and all surfaces were coated and they used glass... The first object I saw was M13. I loved that scope. Its too bad about Meade. I had a LX200 for years. The OTA optics were OK to good. The RA drive was another issue. Astrophotography was out of the question. Jim Waters -----Original Message----- From: Richard Harshaw Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:32 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A sad fact I think, too, that some of the catalyst that got my generation (and yours) into astronomy was the U. S. Space programs of the 1960's-1980's. There is not much in the way of space exploration to excite young people these days, and with the budget being cut everyone to try to limp by in the face of historic and staggering debt, I see no improvement on the horizon. Sigh. Oh, for the days of John Glenn, Gus Grissom, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin... the people who inspired me to look upward. And we go a 12-inch rain in Cave Creek. The drops were 12-inches apart on my patio. Richard Harshaw Cave Creek, Arizona Brilliant Sky Observatory -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jimmy Ray Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:27 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A sad fact Agreed on light pollution, lack of youthful interest and pretty much an older man's interest only in that there was much interest in the 50's and 60's and now we are old...I have seen a couple of my hobbies go this way. And I am sitting 3 miles west of Rick an received .35" of rain. Thank you, Jimmy Ray -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Tejera Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:09 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A sad fact JD, I agree that Light pollution is probably the culprit. They seem to be focusing on the younger demographic, particularly teens. Well if mom or dad isn't willing to drive 100 miles to the antennas, they're going to get discouraged fast trying to find the stuff autostar is telling them they can see from their backyard in Phoenix. Speaking of the Demographic, I do wonder about their focus. I've been active in astronomy for 17 years now and the demographic I've seen has always been older, not younger. When I first joined SAC back in 1996 I was 36 years old and one of the youngest members of the club. As you said, an interesting article, but dubious speculation of fact. Oh and my backyard Wx Station showed .01 inches of rain this afternoon. Rick -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of J. D MADDY Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:40 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A sad fact The "analysts" seem to think they know it all sometimes. Here's a quote: "People no longer hold stargazing parties, and households that once proudly displayed their telescopes no longer think they are trendy, analysts said." What planet are they from? True that techie devices like I phones are taking potential dollars away from scope sales, but they can also enhance the experience of the night skies with their apps. I think light pollution in the larger markets are hurting sales if anything. But, it was an interesting article. Thanks, Eric. JD Clarkdale (It just rained 1 inch in 30 minutes) -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.