atw: Re: Strange job advertisments/skills combinations
- From: Nigel Dawes <NigelD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:25:00 +1100
I'd imagine it does happen, Christine.
And, I hope those that pursue such practices are caught out and suffer
complete embarrassment.
I consider it completely unethical!!
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From: BIRTLEY-KENT,Christine [mailto:Christine.BIRTLEY-KENT@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2004 11:03 AM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: Strange job advertisments/skills combinations
Yep, sure, but I get so offended at this kind of 'testing' that my responses
are always a 'test' for them. If they don't 'get it' I don't want the
job.=20=20
Here's a new business for unemployed technical writers - creating and
selling downloadable test answers, small manuals etc suitable for job tests
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...my point being - who knows who has written and edited what? How many of
you have taken beautiful manuals to interviews that were designed, written
or edited by someone else?
ck
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From: sheetal_laviena@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sheetal_laviena@xxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:55 AM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: Strange job advertisments/skills combinations
CBK, I have come across tests where the applicant was asked to write a
procedure to fit a light bulb.
I think these questions are more to see if you have an eye for detail, your
writing etc...they may not always be 'trick questions'......do you think in
your case, an assumption at the beginning of the procedure would have done
the trick?
Joe, I do agree...but I have to say that tech-writers do have some sort of a
standard turnover...don't know what it exactly is...but in my previous
company......4 new windows with a maximum of 8 new fields in them was the
expected turnover for a day.
Regards and thanks,
Sheetal Laviena.
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Good point - it does provide the opportunity to show off.=3D20
I was once asked to write a 'test' to demonstrate my writing skills for a
potential contract. Guess what - how to make a cup of coffee. I sent them
a beautifully laid out questionnaire asking what type of coffee (instant,
plunger etc), what coffee making facilities, where, whether the milk or
sugar were available or had to be acquired etc etc. I didn't get the
role.=3D20
cbk
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From: joe_zolin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:joe_zolin@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:24 AM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: Strange job advertisments/skills combinations
Yeah, I hear what you say, CBK, and I'm not saying bja's concerns aren't
relevant..
IMNSHO though, I like the ad. If taken from the perspective that they might
actually know what a tech writer does, and know what a good tech writer
should produce, it would act as a magic filter system...
Say fer instance a newbie applies and states they can produce 20 pages a
day... immediate fail... unrealistic self-expectations.
Say perhaps a reasonably experienced tech writer applies and stating they
can produce 5 pages per day, but does not mention that this can vary
depending of difficulty of app, availability of SMEs and variations in
toolsets provided by company... Fail again, seemingly unaware of the
variations from task to task.
Then someone like bja, or cbk comes along, states a range of possible
page-per-day results, lists the possible factors affecting production rate,
queries the need for such a tight skill set... Immediate second interview
because these people obviously have what it takes to realistically assess
and plan for a task...immediately exhibiting the level of tech writer
knowledge and skill required for a serious tech writing job...
Sure as hell would cut through the several hundred wanna be applicants.
Joe Zolin
Technical Communicator/Tech Comms MYOB
E-mail: JOE.ZOLIN@xxxxxxxxxxx
Phone (work): (03) 9222 9992 Ext. 7429
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Nonetheless, it is still impossible to quote a pages per day rate without
assessing the environment for which you are developing those pages. My rate
can vary from 1 to 16 depending upon degree of difficulty and quality
expectations.
Perhaps someone who is applying for work in Melbourne will apply and let us
know what happens. It doesn't hurt to stay informed.
There is an ad in Canberra at the moment asking for an e-learning developer.
The third requirement is:
3. Provision of an eLearning tool that has an inbuilt tool to track learning
administration and can interface with Aurion and meet IT infrastructure
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How can anyone provide this tool without first knowing the infrastructure
and other variables? And how many training developers are software vendors?
Realistically they need to be asking for someone with 'the skills to find'
an appropriate eLearning tool....
I would be interested to know if these people get inundated by the wrong
type of applicants too.
ck
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From: joe_zolin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:joe_zolin@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:45 AM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: New Pay Scales for TWs?
I thought they were asking how many pages a day you could produce, not the
expected charge rate per page.
Direct quote from ad:
"please quote an approximate pages-per-day rate"
Still vague, though, but I've got a feeling that bja migyht be jumping the
gun a bit here.
Also, consider the reasons for not stating company name... If the company
actually said who they were, there would be flock (or should I say
murder..) of agencies descending upon them trying to get the listing and
subsequant placement fee for their own.
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Technical Communicator/Tech Comms MYOB
E-mail: JOE.ZOLIN@xxxxxxxxxxx
Phone (work): (03) 9222 9992 Ext. 7429
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