Hi Rod, I appreciate your answers, but I am starting to get a little confused. Previously, you were complaining about government waste, but now you're saying the government has no right to implement rules/laws that would reduce costs to society/government, i.e. that reduce govt waste. I'm not saying libertarians are necessarily stupid (maybe they hold Darwinian beliefs and think it's a way of improving the gene pool) but the government makes rules/laws to protect those who might not be clever enough to protect themselves, as well as the the free- and strong-willed libertarians. I think that's legitimate. Interesting that you should use the shop analogy for govt. What drives me mad is when I pay for something using a credit card at a shop that doesn't use my bank, my name still appears on the docket. I'm sure there's some big free-enterprise database that has just been updated with this week's spending habits. I believe "tyranny of the majority" is called democracy and it has tended to work well against despots wielding power unreasonably. And the reason for the USA's demise? Too much govt intervention or not enough regulation/control over free enterprise (particularly the bankers)? or a mixture of both? I guess you saw 4 Corners on Monday in which they said that both Bush and Obama look like spending more than all of the presidents who preceded them. Cheers, Terry == The only justification for that is that by not wearing it could increase the drain on community resources... It is a valid condemnation of the government delving into areas which are not legitimately the government's arena. ...the USA is a goner. It's all over