[audacity4blind] Re: Keyboard commands do not work
- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:32:31 -0600
I think we are having a miscommunication. I don't want to save a file
with labels to mark places for future work. I want to be able to record
something, edit it, and save the final version. for example, I may want
to remove commercials from a radio broadcast.
All of the movement and selection commands you described will work without
the use of labels but there is no way to move by the tiny increments I
wish to move by. the control left and right arrow and control shift left
and right arrow commands move by perhaps seven seconds, as a rough guess.
that makes doing precise editing cumbersome. The c command you discuss
provides a preview of what an edit will sound like and is useful. I
didn't know about that command before. But it doesn't provide the
intuitive means of working with the material as what I described in
earlier messages does, that is, the ability to issue a command to hear the
file play from exactly where the left selection point is and play a few
seconds farther into the file and to be able to do the same thing where I
set the end selection point.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gale Andrews" <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:58 AM
>
> Gene,
>
> In Audacity, labels are the primary method for marking a point or
> region in the waveform. Use CTRL + B to add a label at the cursor
> point or region, or CTRL + M to add a label at the playback position.
> Labels can also carry text.
>
> I've explained how to expand or contract the selection, which is the
> same as "moving the markers" except that there isn't a marker until
> you label that the selection.
>
> I think "markers in the waveform" might be more intuitive for you
> as you would be able to move the markers as you describe. Meantime
> I would suggest you give labels a try; label the selection when you
> have it exactly at the correct position.
>
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
>
> | From "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
> | Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:36:59 -0600
> | Subject: Keyboard commands do not work
>> I'm not sure what you are describing when you ask what I want to vote
>> for
>> regarding markers. I think what you are describing is what I want or at
>> least most of what I want.
>>
>> When experimenting with editing in audacity, I haven't worked with the
>> label track. I have set the left cursor using left bracket while a file
>> is playing and then set the right marker or end point by using right
>> bracket while the file is playing, thus selecting a block of material
>> that
>> can be worked with. I want to be able to do that and then be able to
>> move
>> the markers as you can in Mp3 Direct Cut, goldwave, and I would imagine
>> many other programs. If that is what you are asking, the answer is yes.
>> Simple editing should be made easy and intuitive. Audacity, in my
>> strong
>> opinion, makes simple editing convoluted and unintuitive and I find it
>> cumbersome and unpleasant to work with.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gale Andrews" <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:06 AM
>> >
>> > | From "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > | Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:18:41 -0600
>> > | Subject: Keyboard commands do not work
>> >> audacity doesn't allow you to hear where the markers are set by
>> issuing
>> >> commands that play a few seconds of the file from where the markers
>> are
>> >> set forward. Mp3 Direct Cut has such commands so after you set the
>> >> markers, you can hear both locations, there is a command to play from
>> >> the
>> >> location of the start marker forward and a command to play from the
>> end
>> >> marker forward.
>> >
>> > You can label points, use TAB to navigate between them (when focus
>> > is in the label track), close the label with ENTER then SHIFT + right
>> > arrow to draw a selection of a known length which you can play.
>> >
>> > If you work with a selection you want to cut, C plays a known Cut
>> > Preview length (set in Playback Preferences) before and after the
>> > selection. You can expand the selection boundaries using SHIFT
>> > and left/right arrow or contract them with SHIFT + CTRL +
>> > left/right arrow.
>> >
>> > Sighted users can play between cursor and mouse pointer using
>> > B.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Also, you can move the markers to the left or right by
>> >> tiny increments, perhaps as little as a sixteenth or an eighth of a
>> >> second
>> >> by pressing keys that move each marker forward and backward. In
>> other
>> >> words, if you want to move the left marker forward or back, you can
>> use
>> >> one key to move it forward and another to move it back. The right
>> >> marker
>> >> has two keys that do the same thing. So after you set the markers,
>> you
>> >> can move them by tiny increments to set them precisely. You can move
>> >> them
>> >> by larger amounts by repeatedly pressing these keys or by just
>> holding
>> >> down one of the keys so the repeat key function in Windows will move
>> the
>> >> marker.
>> >
>> > Again, you can nudge the cursor in Audacity with left/right arrow but
>> > to mark these cursor points you have to label them first.
>> >
>> > Do you want to vote for "markers in the waveform" that stay there
>> > once dropped? It's a popular request (usually by people who are used
>> > to "mark in" and "mark out" points in other editors).
>> >
>> >
>> >> Also, for some reason, it appears you can't move markers until a file
>> >> has
>> >> been exported, then opened again. I don't know what happens if you
>> save
>> >> a
>> >> file in the proprietary Audacity format and then open it again but if
>> >> you
>> >> record something and try to move the markers, you can't. If you
>> export
>> >> the file as a wave file or some other format, then open it again
>> after
>> >> closing and reopening audacity, you can move the markers. this may
>> be a
>> >> real waste of time and a real annoyance when working with long
>> >> recordings.
>> >
>> > What markers are you talking about here? The easiest VI way to move
>> > labels is Tracks > Edit Labels.
>> >
>> > The main argument for using MP3DirectCut is actually that it is not
>> > lossy; MP3 DirectCut edits the MP3 directly so does not re-encode it
>> > leading to quality loss as Audacity does. On the other hand, that
>> > restricts you in MP3DirectCut to cut/copy/paste and volume edits
>> > and not much more.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Gale
>
>
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