[AR] Re: Turbopump

  • From: Anthony Graziani <tjgraz11@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:16:51 -0400

Monroe,

The axial thrust is balanced by the holes in between the blades.

You can read about that here
http://turbolab.tamu.edu/proc/pumpproc/P6/P631-37.pdf

I have access to a HAAS VF3 through my local hackerspace. It's really
overkill for this small impeller, very nice machine though.

My budget for a motor, esc, and batteries is very small. I'm still a
student so my funds are limited...

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Monroe L. King Jr. <
monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

John
Source? Price?

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Subject: [AR] Re: Turbopump
From: "John Dom" <johndom@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, October 15, 2015 11:38 am
To: <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>


This is going on and on. Why not simply buy a turbopump?

jd

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30 horses for 3 kg? Cool. What's it cost?

-R

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Monroe L. King Jr. <
monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So what's the pumps specs? It will take nearly 30 hp to drive just one
of the pumps to full capacity I'm working on so we can run some test on
electric but to go all the way will take a turbine.



Take a look at this page:

http://finedesignrc.com/motorstp.asp

Scroll all of the way to the bottom. The TP100 motor is rated at 23,000
Watts = 30.66 horsepower. It weighs 3 kg and costs $600. I doubt any
amateur effort will beat that with a turbine.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Anthony Graziani <tjgraz11@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Well, assuming about 60% pump efficiency I'll need about 15hp per pump.
That's about 1000psi at 1kg/s flowrate for kerosene. Chamber pressure at
about 700 psi should net at least 100N of thrust.



I think Anthony's estimate for the engine thrust that can be produced
with this size pump is too low. At 700 psi chamber pressure even an
amateur built biprop engine should get above 200 s Isp. That means a flow
rate of 1 kg/s would produce a thrust of 200 kgf or ~2000 N. If he is just
pumping fuel and pressure feeding oxidizer then the total flow rate and
thrust will be even higher.


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