[AR] Re: PEPCON AP explosion report

  • From: "Monroe L. King Jr." <monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:36:16 -0700

"AP (and products, even with a little fuel) does not melt-and-flow - it
does melt-and-coagulate a little, a very unusual phenomenon [1] - but it
usually turns into gas before flowing."

Very interesting the rest of your information.

But the Poly would flow correct? And a lot of that AP was mixed with and
on top of that.

The asphalt would have cooled slower.

It's fun to think about but man the results really suck!

They where so lucky many more people didn't die.

Yeah I don't think they had much choice other than to store it there.
Can you imagine the infrastructure problems that created? (The
Challenger accident) It must have been tough at Pepcon about that time
"what to do?") Hard to go from full speed ahead to dead stop not knowing
how it would turn out.

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Subject: [AR] Re: PEPCON AP explosion report
From: Peter Fairbrother <zenadsl6186@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, July 21, 2015 5:09 pm
To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


On 22/07/15 00:21, Monroe L. King Jr. wrote:
My 2 cents I'm not sure I agree with the conclusions. I think that super
hot AP fire melted everything into pools (what asphalt tarmack is
completely flat?) as the pools cooled toward the end of the fire (which
would have cooled fast as well) the AP crystallized causing the needed
pressure for detonation. Smaller pools first as they cooled faster than
the bigger pool.

AP (and products, even with a little fuel) does not melt-and-flow - it
does melt-and-coagulate a little, a very unusual phenomenon [1] - but it
usually turns into gas before flowing.

It is often said to sublime, but no-one can agree on how, or even what
the products are ..



[1] suppose eg 200 micron crystals, heated slowly, where the excess heat
can dissipate. The crystals start to decompose, and about 30% of the
mass is lost - but what remains of each crystal is like teeny blobs of
AN, all loosely stuck together, like a foam, and the "foam crystal" is
still about the same size as the original crystal.

There is "transient melting" of the original crystals, which allows them
to stick together if conditions are right, leaving a very unusual
substance - it has the original gaps between the original crystals
mostly still intact, but the individual crystals are now sponge-like,
with teeny holes in them.

And the resulting product is 100% AP and unlike ordinary AP, it is
stable to heat, at about 230 C.

This is very weird. AFAIK, no-one knows why this happens.

Or even how - some say the partial decomposition process begins inside
the crystals and moves out to the edges of the crystals, some say it
starts at the outsides of the crystals and moves in.


But hey the end result was "not good"

I think the reason all that AP got backed up at Pepcon was the space
program. That AP was destined for solid rocket boosters for the shuttle
right?

IIRC they where slowing shuttle launches at the time?


yep. Deliveries got slowed because of Challenger.


-- Peter F

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