90% of Dakotas designs are digitized for flat goods such as shirts and jacket-backs. I personally have not used the WACF cap frame because I never got a request for someone to embroider the front and sides in one design. You will see this used more often for people who do embroidery for gift shops, sports teams, etc. If you don't think you will use the WACF cap frame for embroidering the sides of caps, I would suggest getting the conventional cap frame. This will frame the front of the cap only so it moves less. There is one pictured in MelcoMart catalog. It only frames the front of the cap. I believe it is around $225 each. (If you are just starting out, you can get one for now.) Once you build up your business and start doing lots of caps, you may want to get a second one to speed up production. From: "Cindy Chamberlin" <impressivethreads@xxxxxxx> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:39:19 -0700 John, I have the WACF. The design was put together from Dakota Flag section by the customer's previous embroider. What I can't understand is why my cap slips backward during sewing. _________________________________________________________________ Search on the go: Try Windows Live(tm) Search for Mobile beta http://www1.imagine-msn.com/minisites/mobile/Default.aspx?locale=en-us =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================