Depending on the weight of the material, you may want to decrease the density of your fill letters. I have done sample letter sew-outs on a scrap of the target material - with decreasing density (which also cuts down the stitch count) in each subsequent letter - to see how low a density still looks good. Be sure to make note of which stitch-outs are which density. Not only did this sample sew-out help decide how to handle the original order, I show the stitch-outs to the customer each time I have a new larger-letter job to help them decide what they want. Maxine Armax Digz-n-Stitch armaxinfo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Avalon Embroidery To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: [amayausers] converting sating stitches to fill stitches Hi All! I was wondering if someone could give me some info. on the following. I have a customer who needs to have some jackets done. (not nylon this time!) She wants text only on the back of the jacket done in a "western style". The larger letters are approx. an inch and a half tall. I just used one of the fonts that comes with design shop (not a true type font) I noticed that the stitch count more than doubled when I changed from satin to fill. The person that I use for digitizing looked at it and said that the larger letters have to be digitized. (and they are only 1 1/2" tall) He said that the fonts that are digitized as satin stitches will still follow that same pattern as a satin stitch when converted to fill causing the lettering to "bunch up" on the fabric when sewing out and it would cause endless thread breaks while sewing. (though I have changed satin to fill before for directors chair backs to 2" and it sewed out great, just with a bazillion stitches) Is this really the case? I was wondering if maybe I am just converting the satin to fill stitches incorrectly? I would just enter the font and then go into fill and change it from satin to fill. Is there a way to change and not have such a high stitch count? I certainly can understand an increase in stitches, but for it to more than double? Barbara Avalon Embroidery