I was able to get about 2cm which is about 3/4 of an inch right? I think we are talking about the same thing. Anything below that and you are out of the "sew area" on the WACF. I had noticed some hats we have seem to come about 1cm from the brim. Honestly, for most items 3/4 is fine, but this was a large logo, and I was curious if anyone had a "magic technique" for getting lower on the cap face. JOHN -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of image embriodery Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:29 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: WACF v. Conventional Cap... AGAIN! I just finished a run of 4 dozen and my design starts 3/4" above the brim. Are you trying to get closer than that? I think I could have dropped mine down maybe another 1/4", but it looks good at the height it is at. LuAnn @ Image Embroidery ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Yaglenski" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: WACF v. Conventional Cap... AGAIN! > So basically, there are no options to sew closer? No one has devised > a way? > Cap sewers, let me know... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roland R. Irish > III > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:30 AM > To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [amayausers] Re: WACF v. Conventional Cap... AGAIN! > > We've noticed the same thing-you can't get as close to the brim as you > want to....even the 'old conventional CCF' frame doesn't get down > there. Fault of the machine design and hooping system. I noticed even > with the round hoops that you cannot 'really' use the full sewout > area-on the upper right edge the needle 'guide' will slam into the > hoop if you are too close (even after doing trace to make sure you are > in the 'allowed' area) and several times I've had the image distorted > because of that. So now we have to stay another > 1/8 to 1/4" away. > Keep in mind that a lot of the embroidered hats you see-the > 'commerical market' hats produced by the gazillions-are NOT sewn as a > complete hat-they are sewn as 'panels' and then the hats are put > together. I've sold specialty stuff for years, and I think there is > only a couple of USA based 'panel program' hat companies-the rest are > all overseas. That's why they can ship hats with 5-8,000 stitches, > COMPLETE hat, $50 setup, for ONLY $1.75 PER HAT. > Minimum from one company is 144... > Other machines might be able to get closer to the brim than Amaya, but > there are other 'options' that your Amaya has that the other machines > don't. > Can't > get it all in one machine! > Roland > > > >