This message was posted by levelbest on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/1167.html#000004 Just a note - the only time I have had the stretchy issue on hats (design wise) was when my cable tensions weren't in spec and I tried to run at high speed. Honestly, I started hating hats but don't mind them anymore. With the CCF, it's relatively painless to hoop and running at 850, I rarely have problems or thread breaks. Of course, I do get the designs digitized for hats specifically in most cases from artworksource.com =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================