Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I was thinking along the same lines as you explained. And I've been doing the same as you suggested. Glad to know you're listening. Thanks, Ed -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jeff Banks Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:41 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Sometimes you love her... sometimes >If you do have DS pro +, and can convert the "expanded" file to wireframe, > the software does it's best to convert using it's fancy algorithms and > filters. Sometimes I wonder about the whole copy of a copy thing. > Meaning, > if you convert from OFM to EXP and back to OFM, will you have what you > started out with? If someone can answer, I'd appreciate it. > Ed, The answer is no. You will not end up with the same OFM, there will be some differences. One thing different will be fancy patterns in fills, or an island in a fill. OFM files automatically create connectors between objects or walks between them when saved as expanded. When converting back to OFM these walks will now be objects in the OFM file. Automatic underlay put into objects will be walks when converting back to OFM. What used to be one complex fill may convert back to 2 or 3 separate fills. There will be some editing needed to clean it up and make it like you want it. When working with a EXP or DST or any machine data file, I usually do not convert the entire file. Most of the time only few areas need editing or changes so converting to wire frame only the areas needing change is best. Then work on those areas in Wire Frame to make them the way you want them and leave the rest of the file intact. In many cases converting to Wire Frame is not needed at all. It depends on what type of changes are needed. If density changes are needed, or column width adjustments etc., these changes can be done without converting it to wire frame by using the expanded editing and processing capabilities of Design Shop. Jeff Banks Melco Embroidery Systems