I think the point that many are trying to make is, that with so many of the users on this list being one or two head shops (meaning Amayas per business) it is really a different niche than the bigger shops. One thing people seem to think is that they buy an embroidery machine and think they can be competitive. Like Aaron said, if you are willing to work cheap enough, you can get these jobs and with a single head you may be able to run 100 hats in around 2 + days if this works for you, you may be only making $1 or less an hour, You can be only busy or you can try to work markets that you can be profitable in. As Roland mentioned there are a lot of larger shops that can only feed the machinery with orders from small shops to supplement what they get. Most of these shops would laugh if you came in and wanted two towels monogrammed for a wedding, but your shop may to it gladly! I recently began to understand the value of outsourcing some jobs so that we can stay open for the smaller jobs that have become our bread and butter, It killed me too think I would have to send a job out that I used to make $6 or $7 a piece on but kill ourselves for the better part of a week to do, Now I see that my profit of around $2 each is much less but All I did was send them the file and drop ship the order, an e-mail and a phone call. and for that whole week I still was able to make our customers, (that would have been put off in the schedule or turned away), happy that we could do their work which IS the smaller quantity higher profit work that we are used to and counting on. and in the end I make a few hundred dollars for nothing! This scenario isn't going to work for everyone, but I suggest to each of the smaller shops to research some contract shops and this way you can be competitive on the bigger jobs and ease some work load when getting some bigger orders, A quality contract shop will never make themselves known to your end user, the work silently on your side on your behalf. If it becomes known that they let end users know who they are and what they did, Contract customers spread that news very quickly and they lose their customer base VERY quickly, so their well being relies on their anonymity as well. That being said for them to be profitable they need to work fast and push product through very quickly. It is very important that you have ALL your information (thread colors, locations, sizes, digitized files or quality art work and blank garments ) in place so that the only call they have to make to you is the one telling you they are ready. It can be a win/win for both, but it won't be for everyone, A lot of people want complete control of the whole process, or if you are trying to not tell your customer how you are doing the work then they come in and want to see one of the garments to show a fellow committee member "even though I know they know they aren't ALL ready yet... can I just see one to show them?" That one can be interesting. Anyway just some food for thought from someone who used to think they had to do it all. and now, thinks first of the phrase, "Work smarter not harder" Ron Vinyard Body Cover / Magic Stitches 1-888-435-0176 541-471-1504 Fax 541-471-0427 420 SW H Street, Grants Pass, OR 97526-2532 info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.bodycoverdesign.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Davidson" <Sewfly@xxxxxxx> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Need pricing advise > Thanks Roland! > > -----Original Message----- > From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roland R. Irish III > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:17 AM > To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [amayausers] Re: Need pricing advise > > > just got in a new catalog from StitchOut for hats... www.stitchout.com in > the 144-287 quantity, hats with 5k stitches run (cost) $5.40 to > $2.24 depending > on hat style...5 day production so it is USA work, not imported. > > Just in case someone wants to compare! > =========================================================== > > The AmayaUsers Mailing List > Website: http://www.amayausers.com > Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list > > =========================================================== > > =========================================================== > > The AmayaUsers Mailing List > Website: http://www.amayausers.com > Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list > > =========================================================== > > =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================