Aaron, I don't know how you do it.....I know you do a lot of work (my year might equal your month). How do you keep your backing in place to hoop? Dorothy Compton Bee Embroidered _www.BeeEmbroidered.com_ (http://www.beeembroidered.com/) (916) 635-7467 Rancho Cordova, CA In a message dated 12/15/2004 6:18:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, linen@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I'm with Ron, I eyeball everything. I can hoop much faster this way and I rarely get complaints about placement.