Hi, can't argue with anything you have said good post and as I have
said agreed 100% well put.
On 14/10/2015 11:32, Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi all,a
Braille is not important for me when using a computer and just doing that, but
it's far preferable to using a speech note taker, as it means all your
listening attention is on a speaker at a meeting or conference where you want
to take notes. The unimportance of soft Braille in my job is mostly down to the
nature of the job. When I was a programmer, it was a different story, as you
had to write the correct words in the correct columns - one space out an your
programme would not compile.
Braille is a specialist medium for blind people, and so will probably always
need to be handled through specialist companies. Speech is different. These
days, it shouldn't be rocket science to have facilities in everyday gadgets,
allowing you to turn speech on and off, and the benefits can go beyond benefits
for blind and partially-sighted people. Speech is handy for sighted people in
eyes busy situations. My sighted wife prefers to listen to her Kindle Fire than
to look at the text. She will often multi-task by reading a kindle book while
playing a computer game, or by listening to audio-described TV while checking
out messages from friends and family on facebook. So, let's have more speech
and magnification in mainstream products. With employment of blind and
partially-sighted people at an alarmingly low rate (I've seen estimates that
it's between 20 and 30 per cent of the V I working age population), and
sustained attacks on available benefits, there's not a lot of money
round for many people to pay mark-up prices of specialist gadgets, so** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
anything which brings accessibility within the price range of more of us is
worth encouraging. Fifteen years ago, who would have thought that sighted
people would be crying out for talking books?
.
Best,
Clive
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: mainstream or specialist companies
Hello Jackie,
No, you're right. Screen readers (but jaws) are way beyond what an average
person can afford. APPLE came a long way, I didn't think Voice over would be
that fully incorpirated, but it is. Anyway, just something about your braille
display point. With IOS, I never connect a terminal, and I don't miss it, at
all. That could be because I never turn off speech on the u2, either, but if
these units of mine will die, I'm not getting a new display. I'm sure people
will disagree, and say that braille is important, but not for me. Speech is
much quicker, and cheaper (smile).
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Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 10:19 am
Subject: [access-uk] Re: mainstream or specialist companies
Hi Derek
The problem is that you are never going to get a mainstream company to
manufacture a Braille device, it just wouldn't be viable. Instead, we
have companies who like to, shall we say, take full advantage of this
and have a huge mark-up on what they sell.
I am a note-taker person, I would rather have one device than use a
Bluetooth display with an iOS or Android unit. But that's just me,
others will disagree and say it works out cheaper to have one of each
and interact with it using Braille.
Sadly, having a sensory loss or disability, however you phrase it,
comes at an enormous cost. I think Apple has gone a long way with
accessibility, and I am in the camp who feels that Microsoft should be
forced to step up to the plate and make their hardware and software
more accessible. Personally, I believe the days of paying hundreds of
pounds for screenreaders that don't work for everything are long gone.
Feel free to disagree or shout me down, but that is my take on it.
Kind Regards,
Jackie Brown
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Sent: 14 October 2015 10:11
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Subject: [access-uk] mainstream or specialist companies
Hi Jackie
Shouldn't the mainstream companies be making their own products
accessible to us all.
In other words, do we really need specialist companies like FS
HUmanware Blazie, Sight And Sound, and so on.
Regards, Derek
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I agree. I never use the browser on mine, it's complete crap to put
it bluntly!
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Jackie Brown
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Behalf Of Ian Macrae (Redacted sender "ian.macrae1" for DMARC)
Sent: 14 October 2015 09:00
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille sense replacement
As Mike Townsend pointed out in another context on last night's In
Touch, all of these machines are way behind the curve in terms of the
mainstream software they run, so much so that many modern websites are
simply not usable to them. Even the new Euro Braille model which
Steve Nutt is about to stock is only running windows 7. While i agree
with those who've said that the HIMS products are probably currently
the best, the person who sold me my U2 Mini actually said that he
couldn't envisage any serious web user ever using one of these
machines because the browser is just not up to it and the process is incredibly
slow.
On 12 Oct 2015, at 12:07, jeff <jeffflint15@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:being able to use the BBC web site more fully would be nice.
My Braille-Sense 18 is pretty hammered.
Can anybody tell me if there is a better unit out there?
I need it to do the same kind of stuff but better web access and
Also being able to click on a LINK in an email and going directly tothe web site would also be wonderful.
Most of the time even if I can open the email in the web browser itjust freezes.
Cheers
Jeff
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