picking up on your Bluetooth keyboard I am unable to use my Bluetooth keyboard
with my iOS devices so I'm interested to know how you manage with yours if you
have an iOS device.
On 14 Oct 2015, at 19:38, Ian Macrae (Redacted sender "ian.macrae1" for** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
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But you can use your mainstream devices with a whole variety of tactile
peripherals. I use my Braille Sense U2 Mini, a specialist device to drive my
iPhone. but I also use a Logitech bluetooth keyboard, a mainstream device,
to do the same thing. And I don’t accept the notion that my using and
enjoying a touch screen will result in robbing everyone else of choice.
that’s rather like saying if we all carry on going to McDonald’s or
Starbucks, it’ll drive the little independent Mexican place on our local
parade of shops out of business. As Chairman Mao so memorably put it, let a
million flowers bloom.
On 14 Oct 2015, at 18:03, Angel (Redacted sender "angel238" for DMARC)s of choice to be deprived us in future. Because of a mistaken belief by
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The more mainstreamed speech becomes in these devices, the more main stream
providers will feel we blind consumers are comfortable with touch screens.
The more we use them, the more we will give credence to that idea, and the
less likely we will have alternatives. I don't like Serie, personally, and
wouldn't prefer not writing rather than speaking to my phone. Sometimes I
have to interact with these speech driven services from my phone. Generally,
they don't interpret what is said correctly, and inaccuracies can be caused
also by background noises. So, written input seems to be the most accurate
way to respond to telephonic services which ask for various responses. I
belong to lists where people often complain the skill level to operate their
telephone touch screens exceeds their personal skill level. A tactile
keyboard, whether it be a Braille or a qwerty keyboard seems to offer an
extra measure of security and assurance for some of us. I shouldn't wish
those freedom
these mainstream providers that we all simply love touch screens.
----- Original Message ----- From: <Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:46 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: mainstream or specialist companies
Hi Angel,
I've always wondered how people with Parkinson's disease would cope with
touch screens. I also wonder whether developments like Siri (pardon the
spelling) will mean that physical QWERTTY keyboards will become things of
the past, but that there will more often be alternatives to the
touchscreen. As is often the case with developing technology, I don't have
a problem with the idea of touch screens in themselves, but I do feel
ill-at-ease when they become the only way to access a device or service.
Versatility is th e key. Without it you can't meet customers' diverse needs.
Best,
Clive
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Angel
Sent: 14 October 2015 11:40
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: mainstream or specialist companies
I think there will always be a need for specialist companies. Catering to
us blind, or deaf-blind patrons. Because, there will always be people who
don't feel comfortable using these new fangled touch screens. I am one
such. I still use a phone with the talks screen reader on it. With a
qwerty keyboard. As hard as I have tried, I can't seem to get the hang of
these touch screens. I think there are more blind consumers as am I.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 5:11 AM
Subject: [access-uk] mainstream or specialist companies
Hi Jackie
Shouldn't the mainstream companies be making their own products
accessible to us all.
In other words, do we really need specialist companies like FS
HUmanware Blazie, Sight And Sound, and so on.
Regards, Derek
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Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:44 AM
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille sense replacement
I agree. I never use the browser on mine, it's complete crap to put
it bluntly!
Kind Regards,
Jackie Brown
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ian Macrae (Redacted sender "ian.macrae1" for DMARC)
Sent: 14 October 2015 09:00
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille sense replacement
As Mike Townsend pointed out in another context on last night's In
Touch, all of these machines are way behind the curve in terms of the
mainstream software they run, so much so that many modern websites are
simply not usable to them. Even the new Euro Braille model which
Steve Nutt is about to stock is only running windows 7. While i agree
with those who've said that the HIMS products are probably currently
the best, the person who sold me my U2 Mini actually said that he
couldn't envisage any serious web user ever using one of these
machines because the browser is just not up to it and the process is
incredibly slow.
On 12 Oct 2015, at 12:07, jeff <jeffflint15@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:being able to use the BBC web site more fully would be nice.
My Braille-Sense 18 is pretty hammered.
Can anybody tell me if there is a better unit out there?
I need it to do the same kind of stuff but better web access and
Also being able to click on a LINK in an email and going directly tothe web site would also be wonderful.
Most of the time even if I can open the email in the web browser itjust freezes.
Cheers
Jeff
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