[access-uk] Re: guide from software express
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:03:30 +0100
Hi Ray,
We can now also perform remote assistance with System Access which is really
cool too, so them boys are keeping up <Smile>.
All the best
Steve
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: guide from software express
Well, must say that turning MSAA on and off sometimes flummoxes me, or
simply brings on a fit of swearing when I'm in a hurry! So, System
access on that account alone would seem to have a lot going for it. I
wish I had more technical appreciation of what System Access actually
is these days. Certainly being able to inspect what's on-screen with
the mouse would seem to suggest that an OSM is now employed.
Just a few thoughts and reflections on what's been said so far. Must
say that, on the Guide issue, Phil's responses have been somewhat
encouraging. It is nice to know that escaping the walled garden
doesn't involve the equivalent of getting a padlocked gate open.
Wonder if anyone is using Guide along with NOD32? I don't find NOD32
invasive, though there are popup balloons when it updates, and
updating can be very frequent when an upsurge of techno anti-social
behaviour is around.
Still, no matter how clever Guide and/or System Access may be, I think
the other factor, pointed to by Graham is indeed training. Some
people simply will not sit down with a manual to learn.; which is
very different to my approach to learning new software. Remote
assistance too, as mentioned by Phil, seems to be used increasingly
which must, all in all, be to the good. Only caveat being the person
taking control of your computer should be trustworthy and competent.
Wonder if insurance is involved against any liability arising from
such remote assistance.
I'd like to bet that Guide does score when it comes to gaining the
confidence of those who can see a useful amount, not just because of
its magnification abilities, but also, I suspect, because seeing
members of a family can appreciate more what's going on than someone
using a screen reader alone; and of course how much assistance a
person has on-hand must be an important factor in how successful they
become in gaining useful skills and doing useful work with their PC.
Seems that, especially with Guide, we're back to the old question of
whether blind and VI people are better off with an environment
designed specifically around their needs, or whether they should try
and use the same Windows environment as everyone else. I get the
impression, and that's all it is, that some of JFW's success has been
down to a philosophy of putting people at a partial remove from the
raw Windows interface, though of course an experienced JAWS user will
know about and use the JAWS cursor in some situations. Certainly with
Guide though, funny how ideas do come back. Twenty years back Dolphin
was doing something like this with the modified Borland text editor
who's output was voiced directly to the user, rather than using HALs
screen reading abilities. Still, that was another era, an entirely
different world then.
From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
Peter Beasley
The one feature I like about system access, is that you don't have to
press
enter when you want toenter information into an edit field
whichcompletely
flummoxes sighted people if they are trying to use your computer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Hi Ray,
>
> I think System Access is now a screen reader. The reason is that it
now
> has
> a virtual mouse, as well as all the other stuff, and it presents
Windows
> to
> the user much as the other screen readers do. Have you tried SA?
If not,
> you really should.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
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