Hi Tristram, Yes, I did all of what you suggest; got the download button, got a bleep asking to download active X control, hit enter and nothing else. 3 times I tried and each time I got nothing. I'm using firefox, so I might try it all again using IE. Trial and effort I suppose. Many thanks for your help. Peter Skype: clydeview2008 -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tristram Llewellyn Sent: 05 March 2008 16:48 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long As far as I know this is the only location you can get the player from whatch out for a dodgy wrap or the link: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=Sho ckwaveFlash&ogn=EN_US-gntray_dl_getflashplayer I am assuming you are a JAWS user for the instructions below. Once you are on that page: 1 Press letter F until you reach the "google toolbar" checkbox and press spaceb to uncheck it. 2 Press F once more to get to the terms of service checkbox and check that, the download will not start unless you check (and thereby implicitly agree to their terms of service). 3 Then press a letter G until you reach the "download now" graphic and press spacebar or enter on it. 4 IE will give ou a double blip and tell you that the site wants to install an activeX control. Press alt+N to get to the information bar and press shift+F10 or Windows Application key and thoose to install the ActiveX control. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Technical Support Sight and Sound Technology -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Logue Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:06 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long Hi Tristram , My problem was with the Adobe site in that I found it very difficult to download and install the Adobe flash player. You are re-routed to Adobe where you have to install it from the Adobe site apparently and although I found the download and install link, my computer did nothing after I hit the install button. I tried three times without success. As to Alistairs accessible I_player itself? I had no trouble with accessing any of the programs. Without flash though, they didn't work. Peter Skype: clydeview2008 -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tristram Llewellyn Sent: 05 March 2008 15:53 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long I noticed this morning some interest in the Flash based iPlayer site. I have whatched the whole iPlayer thing with hope and then again sometimes with despondancy. My latest take is that things are improving albeit slowly with the Flash based streaming site since I last looked at it JAWS a couple of months or so ago. The iPlayer service is still a developing organism and still has some shortcomings, it is however useable by a patient and reasonably knowledgeable JAWS user. I expect that the other Flash aware screen readers will also be able to attack this site with some success also. I would also expect that accessibility of the site will improve. Technologically I do not think it will be possible to design something along the line of the WebbIE tools to gain access to this content. The iPlayer site is what we have to work with and what we (as in the generalised screen reader/access community) would urge the BBC to improve. The information posted here is mostly accurate but I offer it as is on the basis of the conditions of ongoing changing nature and hope despite its imperfect nature that it helps someone out there. Jaws: Using BBC iPlayer click to play service Product: Jaws Version: 9.0 Windows OS: XP Updated: 05/03/2008 Question: How can you use the BBC iPlayer click to play service with JAWS. Note 1: This information in this article relates to a web resource which may be updated from time to time and therefore some of the information in this article may be necessarily inaccurate. Respectively this article is therefore a work in progress which will have to be updated to keep page with these developments. Note 2: The BBC iPlayer service is still in a stage of continued development and the accessibility of this service will change and may improve. However, even at present its present state it can be made use of by moderately knowledgeable JAWS users. Detailed information: The BBC late in 2007 introduced its iPlayer download service that allows users to download the last seven days BBC TV output and play it back on their PCs with Windows XP or VISTA operating systems. In an effort for further widen the potential audience the BBC later introduced a Flash based playback only service called "Click to play" on the iPlayer site at www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer. This extension to the service was primarily designed to placate users of other computer platforms which were not compatible with the iPlayer download system, but has become more popular generally and views with this service outnumber the download system by about eight to one in favour of "click to play". The service makes extensive use of Flash technology and although it is not as easy to use with a screen reader as it possibly could be, it can still be useful. Requirements: * At present this service has been tested with Internet Explorer 7.0 only under XP. Other browsers make not work as well or differently (such as Firefox) when using JAWS with this service. * You must have the latest version of Flash player installed on your computer this can be obtained from Adobe Systems www.adobe.com. In future the BBC may decide to use a different format for streaming however Flash is what is currently in use. * This system has been tested with JAWS 9.0 so far, other Jaws versions may also work however Jaws 7.10 may be considered viable. * You should have some knowledge or how the use virtual PC cursor keys, have some knowledge of quick navigation keys or have access to reference them, the letter B for web page buttons and letter H for headings will both be very useful and speed up operation. Overview of operation: There are two main steps using the iPlayer site, first is program selection based on categories and the second is playing and controlling the stream. When first opened the BBC iPlayer site consists of six main navigation links for locate programs, underneath these are sub categories. Once you have selected a sub-category you may then select a program. After selecting a program you may start its stream at which point player controls which are otherwise not visible to the JAWS user become available to control playback. Whilst not all of these controls are accessible the majority of the essential ones can be used. Steps for program selection: 1 With JAWS and Internet Explorer running press control+O and type www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer and press enter. 2 There are six links on this page that mainly concern us, these are; home, last 7 days, Categories, A To Z and Radio whose meaning should be fairly obvious. You can access these using insert+F7 links list or the virtual PC cursor and finally by using tab key. 3 Select the link most appropriate to the way you wish to find a program, eg. "Last 7 days" or "categories" and then press enter. 4 If you have chosen "Last 7 days" link then you may select one of the days of the week of programmes that have opened below. If you have chosen "Categories" then you can select programme categories such as "Drama" or "Entertainment and comedy" for example. To choose a category move the virtual PC cursor to the desired category and press enter. 5 To locate the program under the selected category you selected you can use the letter H to move close the list of results as the category you have selected will displayed on the page now as a heading. 6 After pressing H to locate the results heading you can use the arrow keys with the virtual PC cursor to examine the results. 7 With the VPC you can press enter on either "filter results by most recent" or on "A to Z". The latter of these two options gives the listing of program results in alphabetical form. 8 Next in order using the VPC will be the heading called results page number, your programme results may be on more than one page which may allow you to skip to a page most likely to contain the programs you are looking for. Pressing enter on any given number will jump to that results page. 9 Further down are the actual programs are now listed. You can use the arrow keys and also the letter H to scan through the heading level three links which are the programs themselves. Using search edit box to find programs 1 Press insert+F5 to list the form fields on the BBC iplayer site, there are usually only two, choose the "unlabelled edit" and press enter. 2 Type the name of the program you wish to find and press enter. 3 Press control to stop speech and press letter H for headings to locate your search results. 4 Now use H for headings for the cursor keys to browse the results from there. 5 When you have found the desired program press enter to reach its page and start the stream (see below). Playing and pausing the stream: You are now ready to play the stream: * To locate the play button press B until you reach the "find programs" button and press tab to reach "4 buttons" or "--:--.--" button, press enter on either of these to start the stream. * To stop the stream immediately you can activate the same button to pause the stream. Problems playing a stream When you press enter on some programs from your search results that are flagged as parental guidance a pop up will display asking you to confirm you age. JAWS does not appear to see this, if you have some residual vision you may see contrasted a white box against the usually darker background. You are not able to start the program until you have dealt with this. If you find you cannot start the program then this may be the problem. To resolve this issue press control+F to find the word "yes" on the page. This forms part of a prompt for a checkbox "yes I am over 16" and press spacebar to check the checkbox and then down arrow to the "OK" button and press enter. From then you can play back the stream. Hints for player controls Many of the controls in the player only have numbers and sometimes the order in which they appear can change. It is often best to navigate using the buttons quick navigation keys. Some of these numbers are more important than others and you can use the "custom label" feature under the insert+F2 keystroke to name some of these important controls so they stand out for easier access. The following points are some navigation hints about the player controls. * Once the stream has started by pressing enter o the "4" button or "--:--.-" button you will gain access more of the player's controls. You can access these using tab and shift tab keys. * If you tab to the "5" button this is the "play/pause" button which you can operate with enter or spacebar. Note that you can use the Jaws custom label feature to name this control. * If you press tab or sometimes shift tab you will also find other options including the "6" button which is "rewind" to start of stream button. * Button "8" is the volume but is not accessible to use with JAWS. * To activate full screen view you must use tab or the B for button quick navigation key to locate button "20" and press spacebar, then press insert+minus to route JAWS to PC cursor and press number pad slash. This is because this button only seems to except a mouse click operation. * To stop full screen mode press escape, the steam will however continue playing. Glossary: Flash A system designed to deliver content online independent of computer platform, in order for users to access Flash content one must have the latest version of the Adobe Flash player installed. Currently at the time of writing this is version 10. Pop Up Usually a term used to describe a small window that appears after a specific user action has taken place. Examples of such windows may alert users os something or to ask for more information. Stream A stream is where either audio or video is fed down to a player on a users PC for listening or watching. This avoids having to download the whole file at once so that the user gets almost immediate playback except where Internet connection conditions are bad. Streaming has become most popular since the widespread introduction of broadband. Quick Navigation Keys A system used in Jaws that allows letter keys to be used whilst working in Internet Explorer that allow single key navigation to specific kinds of page elements for example B to navigate to firs and subsequent button elements on a web page. VPC Short for Virtual PC Cursor as when used within the Internet Explorer window with JAWS. Regards. 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