HiGordon, Yes I got all of that. Unfortunately I wasn't aware that Firefox didn't use Adobe Flash. I believe I do have it up and running now. but no sound. Still toying with it. Thanks. Peter L Skype: clydeview2008 -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Atkinson Sent: 06 March 2008 09:48 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long Hi Peter I am not sure whether this will be of any help to you or not. I downloaded the Adobe flash player from the Adobe website using IE 7 and Window-Eyes. However, when you get to the download procedure, it does not show up as a standard Windows download dialog, i.e, save cancel and so on. I found that the file was installed directly but with no text to tell you what was going on. On looking in the add/remove programs, I found that it was there. On the download page itself, further down the page, I found the following text. Adobe Flash Player When you see the installation completion movie above and text below, your installation was successful. The installation should only take a minute or two on a 56k modem. Note: 1. If a browser Security Warning dialog box appears like the one below, you will need to click Yes to install the player. 2. Your computer may require a reboot after auto-installation of the Flash Player ActiveX control, if the Flash Player is already in use during the installation process. Security Warning Dialog Regards Gordon Atkinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Logue" <plsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long > Just had two more tries. This flashplayer download is the hardest item > I've > ever tried to download . And I'm usually never beaten. Got to shake my > head > at this one. > > Peter > > > > > > Skype: clydeview2008 > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Peter Logue > Sent: 05 March 2008 22:11 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - > long > > Hi Tristram, > Yes, I did all of what you suggest; got the download button, got a bleep > asking to download active X control, hit enter and nothing else. 3 times I > tried and each time I got nothing. I'm using firefox, so I might try it > all > again using IE. Trial and effort I suppose. > Many thanks for your help. > Peter > > > > > Skype: clydeview2008 > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Tristram Llewellyn > Sent: 05 March 2008 16:48 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - > long > > As far as I know this is the only location you can get the player from > whatch out for a dodgy wrap or the link: > http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=Sho > ckwaveFlash&ogn=EN_US-gntray_dl_getflashplayer > > I am assuming you are a JAWS user for the instructions below. > > Once you are on that page: > 1 Press letter F until you reach the "google toolbar" checkbox and > press spaceb to uncheck it. > 2 Press F once more to get to the terms of service checkbox and > check that, the download will not start unless you check (and thereby > implicitly agree to their terms of service). > 3 Then press a letter G until you reach the "download now" graphic > and press spacebar or enter on it. > 4 IE will give ou a double blip and tell you that the site wants > to install an activeX control. Press alt+N to get to the information bar > and press shift+F10 or Windows Application key and thoose to install the > ActiveX control. > > Regards. > > Tristram Llewellyn > tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Technical Support > Sight and Sound Technology > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Peter Logue > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:06 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - > long > > Hi Tristram , > My problem was with the Adobe site in that I found it very difficult to > download and install the Adobe flash player. You are re-routed to Adobe > where you have to install it from the Adobe site apparently and although I > found the download and install link, my computer did nothing after I hit > the > install button. I tried three times without success. As to Alistairs > accessible I_player itself? I had no trouble with accessing any of the > programs. Without flash though, they didn't work. > > Peter > > > > > > > > Skype: clydeview2008 > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Tristram Llewellyn > Sent: 05 March 2008 15:53 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long > > I noticed this morning some interest in the Flash based iPlayer site. I > have whatched the whole iPlayer thing with hope and then again sometimes > with despondancy. My latest take is that things are improving albeit > slowly > with the Flash based streaming site since I last looked at it JAWS a > couple > of months or so ago. The iPlayer service is still a developing organism > and > still has some shortcomings, it is however useable by a patient and > reasonably knowledgeable JAWS user. I expect that the other Flash aware > screen readers will also be able to attack this site with some success > also. > I would also expect that accessibility of the site will improve. > > Technologically I do not think it will be possible to design something > along > the line of the WebbIE tools to gain access to this content. The iPlayer > site is what we have to work with and what we (as in the generalised > screen > reader/access community) would urge the BBC to improve. > > The information posted here is mostly accurate but I offer it as is on the > basis of the conditions of ongoing changing nature and hope despite its > imperfect nature that it helps someone out there. > > Jaws: Using BBC iPlayer click to play service > > Product: Jaws > Version: 9.0 > Windows OS: XP > Updated: 05/03/2008 > > > Question: > How can you use the BBC iPlayer click to play service with JAWS. > > Note 1: This information in this article relates to a web > resource which may be updated from time to time and therefore some of the > information in this article may be necessarily inaccurate. > Respectively this article is therefore a work in progress which will have > to > be updated to keep page with these developments. > Note 2: The BBC iPlayer service is still in a stage of continued > development and the accessibility of this service will change and may > improve. However, even at present its present state it can be made use of > by moderately knowledgeable JAWS users. > > Detailed information: > The BBC late in 2007 introduced its iPlayer download service that allows > users to download the last seven days BBC TV output and play it back on > their PCs with Windows XP or VISTA operating systems. In an effort for > further widen the potential audience the BBC later introduced a Flash > based > playback only service called "Click to play" on the iPlayer site at > www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer. This extension to the service was primarily > designed > to placate users of other computer platforms which were not compatible > with > the iPlayer download system, but has become more popular generally and > views > with this service outnumber the download system by about eight to one in > favour of "click to play". The service makes extensive use of Flash > technology and although it is not as easy to use with a screen reader as > it > possibly could be, it can still be useful. > > Requirements: > * At present this service has been tested with Internet Explorer > 7.0 only under XP. Other browsers make not work as well or differently > (such as Firefox) when using JAWS with this service. > * You must have the latest version of Flash player installed on > your computer this can be obtained from Adobe Systems www.adobe.com. In > future the BBC may decide to use a different format for streaming however > Flash is what is currently in use. > * This system has been tested with JAWS 9.0 so far, other Jaws > versions may also work however Jaws 7.10 may be considered viable. > * You should have some knowledge or how the use virtual PC cursor > keys, have some knowledge of quick navigation keys or have access to > reference them, the letter B for web page buttons and letter H for > headings > will both be very useful and speed up operation. > > Overview of operation: > There are two main steps using the iPlayer site, first is program > selection > based on categories and the second is playing and controlling the stream. > When first opened the BBC iPlayer site consists of six main navigation > links > for locate programs, underneath these are sub categories. Once you have > selected a sub-category you may then select a program. After selecting a > program you may start its stream at which point player controls which are > otherwise not visible to the JAWS user become available to control > playback. > Whilst not all of these controls are accessible the majority of the > essential ones can be used. > > Steps for program selection: > 1 With JAWS and Internet Explorer running press control+O and type > www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer and press enter. > 2 There are six links on this page that mainly concern us, these > are; home, last 7 days, Categories, A To Z and Radio whose meaning should > be > fairly obvious. You can access these using insert+F7 links list or the > virtual PC cursor and finally by using tab key. > 3 Select the link most appropriate to the way you wish to find a > program, eg. "Last 7 days" or "categories" and then press enter. > 4 If you have chosen "Last 7 days" link then you may select one of > the days of the week of programmes that have opened below. If you have > chosen "Categories" then you can select programme categories such as > "Drama" > or "Entertainment and comedy" for example. To choose a category move the > virtual PC cursor to the desired category and press enter. > 5 To locate the program under the selected category you selected > you can use the letter H to move close the list of results as the category > you have selected will displayed on the page now as a heading. > 6 After pressing H to locate the results heading you can use the > arrow keys with the virtual PC cursor to examine the results. > 7 With the VPC you can press enter on either "filter results by > most recent" or on "A to Z". The latter of these two options gives the > listing of program results in alphabetical form. > 8 Next in order using the VPC will be the heading called results > page number, your programme results may be on more than one page which may > allow you to skip to a page most likely to contain the programs you are > looking for. Pressing enter on any given number will jump to that results > page. > 9 Further down are the actual programs are now listed. You can > use the arrow keys and also the letter H to scan through the heading level > three links which are the programs themselves. > > Using search edit box to find programs > 1 Press insert+F5 to list the form fields on the BBC iplayer site, > there are usually only two, choose the "unlabelled edit" and press enter. > 2 Type the name of the program you wish to find and press enter. > 3 Press control to stop speech and press letter H for headings to > locate your search results. > 4 Now use H for headings for the cursor keys to browse the results > from there. > 5 When you have found the desired program press enter to reach its > page and start the stream (see below). > > Playing and pausing the stream: > You are now ready to play the stream: > * To locate the play button press B until you reach the "find > programs" button and press tab to reach "4 buttons" or "--:--.--" > button, press enter on either of these to start the stream. > * To stop the stream immediately you can activate the same button > to pause the stream. > > Problems playing a stream > When you press enter on some programs from your search results that are > flagged as parental guidance a pop up will display asking you to confirm > you > age. JAWS does not appear to see this, if you have some residual vision > you > may see contrasted a white box against the usually darker background. > You > are not able to start the program until you have dealt with this. If you > find you cannot start the program then this may be the problem. To > resolve > this issue press control+F to find the word "yes" on the page. This forms > part of a prompt for a checkbox "yes I am over 16" and press spacebar to > check the checkbox and then down arrow to the "OK" button and press enter. > From then you can play back the stream. > > Hints for player controls > Many of the controls in the player only have numbers and sometimes the > order > in which they appear can change. It is often best to navigate using the > buttons quick navigation keys. Some of these numbers are more important > than others and you can use the "custom label" feature under the > insert+F2 > keystroke to name some of these important controls so they stand out for > easier access. The following points are some navigation hints about the > player controls. > > * Once the stream has started by pressing enter o the "4" button > or "--:--.-" button you will gain access more of the player's controls. > You can access these using tab and shift tab keys. > * If you tab to the "5" button this is the "play/pause" button > which you can operate with enter or spacebar. Note that you can use the > Jaws custom label feature to name this control. > * If you press tab or sometimes shift tab you will also find other > options including the "6" button which is "rewind" to start of stream > button. > * Button "8" is the volume but is not accessible to use with JAWS. > * To activate full screen view you must use tab or the B for > button quick navigation key to locate button "20" and press spacebar, then > press insert+minus to route JAWS to PC cursor and press number pad slash. > This is because this button only seems to except a mouse click operation. > * To stop full screen mode press escape, the steam will however > continue playing. > > Glossary: > > Flash > A system designed to deliver content online independent of computer > platform, in order for users to access Flash content one must have the > latest version of the Adobe Flash player installed. Currently at the time > of writing this is version 10. > > Pop Up > Usually a term used to describe a small window that appears after a > specific > user action has taken place. Examples of such windows may alert users os > something or to ask for more information. > > Stream > A stream is where either audio or video is fed down to a player on a users > PC for listening or watching. This avoids having to download the whole > file > at once so that the user gets almost immediate playback except where > Internet connection conditions are bad. Streaming has become most popular > since the widespread introduction of broadband. > > Quick Navigation Keys > A system used in Jaws that allows letter keys to be used whilst working in > Internet Explorer that allow single key navigation to specific kinds of > page > elements for example B to navigate to firs and subsequent button elements > on > a web page. > > VPC > Short for Virtual PC Cursor as when used within the Internet Explorer > window > with JAWS. > > > > > Regards. > > Tristram Llewellyn > tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Technical Support > Sight and Sound Technology > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 2925 (20080305) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq