[access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

  • From: Eleanor burke <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 22:02:36 +0100

I thought that also.

On 9 Oct 2015, at 21:38, Derek Hornby <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I thought the charity commission forced GDBA to spend more money.


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Behalf Of Sandra Heaton
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 9:05 PM
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Hi,

They did used to be the richest but I believe that's not the case now.
I
heard a while back but whether or or not its true or not but, I heard
that
they had a lot of shares in various things and they actually lost a
considerable amount of money.


Sandra
Braille Greeting Cards
www.braille-greetings-cards.co.uk

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From: "Eleanor burke" <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 8:04 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT


I was told they were the riches charity in the country.

On 9 Oct 2015, at 19:48, Jo Bennett (Redacted sender "jobennett39"
for
DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

James
That is very interesting because I have been told that GDBA are
running
out of money, which I don't believe. They must be running out of
dogs
though because I have been back on list for 2 and a half years,
waiting
for my fourth dog.

Jo

-----Original Message----- From: James English
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 4:14 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

Hi,

What amazes me is guide dogs constant and varied requests for
money,
coupled with their amazing inability to deliver essential services.
By
the way, I wouldn't recommend giving guide dogs any money this
year,
I've been assured by a former director (who left on good terms,
btw)
that they have around 3 years worth of savings just doing nothing,
and
that they could operate at full level for 2 years if no money at
all
came in.

When I need some help to get shown around my routes at university,
however, they don't have the staff for that.

-James

On 10/9/15, Mike Ray <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The campaigns that present us as vulnerable etc. are doing so
because
that is a very strong message to the brains of sighted folks, many
of
whom have no relatives or friends or any experience of any blind
people
beyond seeing one of us in the street. You have to remember that
the
first thing, and the lasting thing, that a lot of sighted people
are
thinking when they see one of us is "I couldn't cope with that".

And as far as driving for better employment prospects for us, that
aint
gonna happen while the front bench of the government consists
almost
exclusively of old Etonians. Such people are convinced that if
their
mates get to keep more of there money there will be more jobs for
everybody.

When I am out and about, the over-riding thing I try to remember
is that
I might not need help now, or at all, but next time I might, and
the
next blind person who encounters the same sighted person might.

Mike

On 09/10/2015 15:47, Michael Moore wrote:
Mike,

... I do agree that many people need educating, and at times ask
stupid
questions, but this is because we are exhibited as vulnerable and
to
some
extent set as an example of "this is not how you want to end
up"....

Why are these organisations not getting behind and driving
employment
for
those who have spent time in developing their skills and then
say,
we've
helped these individuals into inclusive employment, through
supporting
them
initially, so help us to assist others through education and
employment....

I know after losing my sight 20 years ago I went to a local
computer
training centre, they wanted advice on what to do to make all
accessible,
so
they called RNIB, who refused point blank to give any advice or
resources
and wanted me to travel 60 miles to attend their courses. They
took my
details and to this day still have to contact me to arrange a
course.

This insular mind set regarding services is what is hindering
progression.


Mike
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Mike Ray
Sent: 09 October 2015 15:34
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT


I'm sorry but all of you need to give members of the sighted
public
around
you a break. They are asking stuff like "can you see a bit",
because
to
them the idea of going blind is a terrifying prospect. And they
say
stuff
like "how do you get on the right bus" because they are
astonished at
your
independence and doubt their own resolve to be so if they were to

suffer
sight loss.

Just like thin folks who stare at us fatties, who do so because
of
their
own
morbid fear of being thought of as 'fat', sighted folks fear
blindness
and
don't understand it.

I would certainly NEVER refuse help in the street or be rude when
somebody
states the bloody obvious like "you're walking towards a wall",
because,
I
might not need help, but the next blind person along might.
And if I'm rude, that sighted person might not help the next
person.

Sadly the RNIB and Guide Dogs are suffering a common problem of
modern
times; they are run by suits who "know the price of everything
and the
value
of nothing".

And if somebody talks to you on the train or the bus, even if
they are
spouting rubbish, at least they are talking. We live in a
society now
where
most of us, blind or sighted, go through our outside life in
silent
isolation, making and seeking no eye-contact, words like 'hello'
and 'hi' which cost nothing and make a massive difference.

The RNIB are using ads like the ones mentioned to try to raise
money
from
people who are themselves terrified of losing their sight.
That's why
they
use the emotive things they do. Although I can see how it might
be
seen
as
a negative by someone who has lived for a long time with reduced
vision,
or
total blindness, but if it persuades a few people to cough up a
few
quid
then fine. They can use me if they like because I have no
hesitation
in
being plain about how total blindness often leaves me wishing I
wouldn't
wake up tomorrow. Mostly because nobody takes any notice of me
when I
say
I
can still write code that will leave most sighted school-leavers
standing,
but I can't get a job.

Mike

On 09/10/2015 14:28, john gallagher wrote:
hi janet strangely when i got in to the leeds station today a
dog
tried
to
get to zarah and it was someone with a training dog maybe aben
drury
but
of
course they never speak to us or anything but, like ian says all
this
from
a
charity that years ago fought of us like hell campained for
things to
be
bejter for us people have been on committees spending hours
fighting
for
our
rights and now they come out with something like this. the public
are
very
gullable and believe all this rubbish.

in sheffield people used to ask me how i got on the right bus
and i
told
them the dog could read the numbers and you know they believed
it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 9 October 2015 2:22 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT



Hi John

I just despair of these people and you are right you tell guide
dogs
things and no notice is taken whatsoever because totally blind
people
are in a minority they are just left on the shelf to disappear.

-----Original Message-----
From: john gallagher
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:17 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

hi janet well i am certainly not going to pay for the rubbish
over
drive set up sad really but to me like the guide dogs the
people at
the top never discuss anything with us at the bottom so to
speak.
also on the train today someone was adamant i could see are you
parttly sighted she kept asking it just felt as though i had
landed
from
outer space.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet Bell <janet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 9 October 2015 1:59 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT



Hi Ian

I don't know if you read this newspaper but last week in the
daily
mirror there was an article about an American woman who wanted
to go
blind which infuriated me about as much as what you have
written
has. There was also an advert about fifteen years ago done by
action for blind people that made us look totally helpless
which
annoyed me as well. I don't buy the rnib's products as I
think they
are poor quality most of the time. and when my year's
subscription
is up I don't think I will renew it either.

Janet ps there are still letters at the bottom of your
messages.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Macrae
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 1:52 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] RNIB PRODUCT BOYCOTT

I am seriously considering boycotting what few RNIB products
and
services I use - chiefly the electronic newspaper service - in
response to their latest ad campaign. There has been an item
on
this at the end of today's edition of WATO. Celebs including
Barbara Windsor and Shirley Bassey are presented talking about
the
idea of being told they're going blind. Bassey describes that
possibility as being "Devastating" and says she might as well
be
told that she's going to die. Once again they have turned my
impairment into a thing of terror and me into an object of
pity and
I've had enough of

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