I've played all the games you mention and they really are no contest to playing a game for sighted people. Not sure if you've ever had vision, but if you have I can't beleive you'd disagree. But as I said in my last email, we just have to accept it. I don't think the comments made here so far are a criticism or lack of appreciation for the great work some developers have done, just an observation. No matter what the reason for the lack of playability, it's still very true. Peter From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:27 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: PC and Online games for the VI? Hi Ari. I'll counter your statement with another. Big companies producing big budget games which you say are more interesting have thousands of employees including software programmers, map creators, researchers and the like as well as budgets to match. They can produce or have comitioned sound tracks which would rival those produced by the big film studios and they have access to the best in class sounds and animation effects. Smaller companies and mostly individuals producing these accessible games work with very limited facilities, often operate with practically non existent budgets yet still manage to produce playable games. Please before making such sweeping statements justify them with some hard evidence. Have you played Entombed? any of the GMA Games? those from Draconis? There's plenty of choice and something to suit everyone. All the best, Ibrahim. ----- Original Message ----- From: ari To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: PC and Online games for the VI? I'm happy to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks that compared to normal games blind games are of a much lower standard or at least really more boring. Like for example, with sports or other blind games, even the audio on sighted games is better. But what are quite good games if you like puzzles and things is a company called azabat. Quite pricy for me, maybe that is just the exchange rate from pounds to rand, but I enjoy the games, they're puzzles and stuff www.azabat.co.uk Also for a large resource about what is available is www.audiogames.net Ari