Hi, Could you possibly find that podcast on FlightSim? That would be interesting to see how he does it. I still have all the addons and aircraft I bought from when I used to play it. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amro Bilal Sent: 24 March 2010 13:33 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: PC and Online games for the VI? Someone said that they long to play Microsoft Flight Sim - there's a podcast on Blind Cool Tech by a blind kid who demonstrates how to play it without a sight. Re quality of games for the blind I tried most of the ones where mentioned here and I totally agree they are no match to the mainstream games and that there's a lot of room for improvement in the sound quality and storylines. But the thing is that games are visual by nature and I'm not sure if the games for the blind can actually be as good and I particularly mean those games that involve shooting and stuff. I myself tend to enjoy text adventure games such as those from InfoTech. Cheers, Amro ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Toner To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: PC and Online games for the VI? David, Re: Same quality of sounds. There?s loads of SFX librarys out there, the BBC, Hollywood SFX etc. Heck, I?d even by a dev a set if they promised it would be used. I don?t think it?s a case of standards. I recognize it?s going to be the same, hey ho we?re missing a sense. So it?s illogical to therefore think it?s going to be the same. I don?t think standards have to slip though. This issue is as much about inclusion as entertainment and lessons can be learned by discussing past experiences say as a sighted person. You never know we might just have the next VI Senior DEV or CEO for a huge gaming company on this list. How better for them to find out what allot of us are longing for if we can?t mix and mash the two gaming areanas. That being sighted and non-sighted in a discussion. It?s big picture and not off topic. Barry. From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:42 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: PC and Online games for the VI? Not sure why we are talking about games which are obviously not for the Blind, and cannot be played by the blind. So I am going to discuss games played by blind people as I have never played games for the sighted. My first experience of these games were games designed for and played on the Eureka. I quite enjoyed some of these, particularly the Infocom games. Some of the pc games made for the blind have been fun to play. the GMA games are pretty good, and I had a lot of fun with "Shades of Doom". Unfortunately, some of the producers of games for the blind had to give up working on new games because too many blind people were pirating the games so not enough were being sold to make it worthwhile. There were also some fairly good BSC Games, one called "Troopanom" I think was okay. some people have tried to work on sports games, but nothing has really been satisfactory. The latest arrival on the games scene to my knowledge is Q9, which is one of those games where you follow an arrival from space and try to get him through various levels, fighting monsters and wild animals through jungles and caves. This is nothing too complicated, mainly relying on fast reactions, but it has passed a few hours for me. There are also the Bavisoft games, although I am not sure whether they are still producing new ones. There used to be many mailing lists for games, but most of these appear to have been disbanded. It would be good to have some new games, but it is unrealistic to expect the same sounds and standards of production you get from games for the sighted. Blind gamers are just not going to buy in sufficient quantities for companies to make a profit. I am sure there are one or two I have not mentioned, one called "Pipe" comes to mind. I just wanted to discuss games for the blind rather than games for the previously sighted. David -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: 24 March 2010 09:20 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: PC and Online games for the VI? Hi Barry and all, Firstly, good to have you back Barry.... Going back to older games, the Commodore c64, remember the tapes?? Well there was a game called Uridium, it was a horizontal scrolling shoot 'em up where you were in a small space ship, graphics were not spectacular; compared to todays, but has a lot of the play-ability not suffered as a result? Another example was Speedball 2 on the Amiga, graphics, nothing special but really enjoyable 2 player ice hockey-esque by Bitmap brothers. 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