I can think of couple of other similar examples to Tvonics that were great but didn't last long, the netjam digital freview boxes and of course the pure digital talking radio, I forget the actual name of it, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about (it was the only talking DAB)! There was a lot of potential to it and they still technically work, but of course having been so many updates to DAB multiplexis or even new ones being added, that radio has become almost useless, certainly when it comes to identifying the stations. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 09:42 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More to accesibility than a synthetic voice (was telephone landlines) Hi Colin Not quite true with Olympus. My point with them is that the DM5 is fully accessible, with its ability to read out file names within folders. So of course I thought the same would apply to the DM7. Not so, they took some steps back with that release. The annoying thing is that when you enter one of the applications on the DM7, the TTS reads out the file or book it lands on, but then try arrowing left or right to whatever else you have in there, and nothing happens. You can't back out of folders either because you have no idea of where you are. So TTS is there, it just hasn't been properly implemented. I think personally that the TVonics is a reasonable example of good accessibility, but then it didn't last long either! Kind regards, Jackie Brown Emails: jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin Howard Sent: 06 November 2014 13:48 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More to accesibility than a synthetic voice (was telephone landlines) Greetings, Adding to Steve's Olympus discussion, agreed, problem with Olympus is same as for the Pure Sonis. The speech was "enabled" by introduction of individual files containing words, called up as necessary when the function is activated. Yes, fine so far as it goes, but not what I term proper speech. At least with screen-readers such as NVDA and their like, speech gives a more or less accurate response to changes. Olympus and Pure could not intelligently interpret displays for stations, file names for the Olympus and the like. Half-baked? Um! better than nout, but needs much improvement. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq