Hi Jackie, Perhaps we should be talking less about accessibility, more about the business case for full inclusivity. The technology to make devices work for people with different requirements is no longer prohibitively expensive. So I cannot understand the reason why manufacturers are not maximising their market by designing their products to the principle that if it doesn't work properly for all the people we'd like to sell it to, it doesn't work properly. As we have an aging population, and people so often acquire impairments as they get older, there will surely be a lot more potential customers needing this stuff to work properly for them in the future. By The Way - audio-description provision is another half-baked idea that needs to go back into the oven. I bet we could all think of others, but I'd be interested to know who's getting it right. Best, Clive -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown Sent: 06 November 2014 12:37 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More to accesibility than a synthetic voice (was telephone landlines) Hi Clive Exactly, my experience this week with the Olympus DM7 is just that, half-baked! Kind regards, Jackie Brown Emails: jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 06 November 2014 12:20 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] More to accesibility than a synthetic voice (was telephone landlines) Hello all, I wonder if the problem with partial accessibility is another instance of what I think happened with Blackberry and the early models of Kindle. There seems to be a naïve assumption on the part of some companies that if a device speaks at all, it will be fully accessible to blind people. So you get spoken caller id but no spoken menu; could read a book on the old Kindle, but try using the silent keyboard; Blackberry had speech output on a useless touch screen device, so at least you were told when you'd accidentally fouled up settings you didn't intend to tamper with. Perhaps developers should be asking "does it work well? And is it versatile", instead of adding in half-baked accessibility features. In short, does it work like apple? Best, Clive -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: 06 November 2014 12:06 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Land Line Telephones hi pele. yep that's the one. yes, i agree it is a real shame! all the best, Mo. On 06/11/2014 11:57, Pele West wrote: > Hi Mo > > Thanks. We do have a cordless phone with 3 handsets connected as well, > but thanks for the information about the Panasonic system. Is this the > one that speaks the name of the person calling if they are in the > phone's address book? 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