[access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:08:18 -0000
Hi Paul,
It will work, but you will have firmware update issues.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Paul Leake
Sent: Sunday 3 February 2008 17:26
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
one problem is that the phone if bought in the states might not work in the
U K because of different protocols for phones out there.
Cheers
Paul
paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:33 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
> It'll probably be tied to your phones seriel number liek Talks and Mobile
> Speak does.
>
> How about anyone that's out there just buy the lot?
>
> Current exchange rates show that, $2,300 for the lot, phone, talks,
> software is about 500 quid cheaper than here.
>
> Dj Paddy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:09 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>
>
>> George - I think those us interested in buying from the US, just want the
>> software, as it's about £300 cheaper. It appears however that each state
>> has
>> it's own dealer, and therefore is unlikely they will sell overseas.
>>
>> What I can't find out is how the software will be licence to prevent
>> piracy.
>>
>> Andy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:00 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>>
>>
>> |I suppose you could try, but with something of that value, I
>> | sure as heck would want to make sure that it was fully
>> | insured. Of course by doing that, it would have to have a
>> | full value commercial shipping invoice with it, and so sure
>> | as eggs are eggs, it would get snagged by Customs.
>> |
>> | Even if it was marked as "Articles for the Bind", you would
>> | then need to deal with Customs to explain why. And at the
>> | very least, there's a 99% chance you would have to pay Duty
>> | & VAT on the telephone itself.
>> |
>> | Additionally, you may find as I do, that in addition to the
>> | shipping cost, you have to pay Airline Handling and Customs
>> | Clearance, likely to be around £25 each for those two items
>> | alone.
>> |
>> | There's an interesting article from the Guardian at:-
>> | http://tinyurl.com/3e4d8y
>> | which warns people about the hidden costs of importing good
>> | purchased from abroad.
>> |
>> | George.
>> |
>> |
>> | -----Original Message-----
>> | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> | [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sunil
>> | Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:43 PM
>> | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>> |
>> | Are there any restrictions on any of us in the UK buying the
>> | software from
>> | an American dealer? Or would it be worth it once you take
>> | into account
>> | shipping etc?
>> |
>> | -----Original Message-----
>> | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> | [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> | Ray's Home
>> | Sent: 03 February 2008 00:54
>> | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>> |
>> | Well, I've heard all 68 minutes or so of the presentation on
>> | the KNFB
>> | embedded cell phone reader, and the listening is interesting
>> | for more
>> | than the obvious reasons. Before I say more, some quick
>> | jump to
>> | points might be good for those who cannot waite to get to
>> | the meat.
>> |
>> | 23 minutes in givbes you Ray Kurtzveil's intro and future
>> | gazing - and
>> | he's known as a futureologist. Things like image and object
>> | recognition improvements, including, he claims, faces.
>> |
>> | thirty minutes in or so, main presentation of what the
>> | present
>> | software does, and demos of it working on text, to
>> | tremendous rapture
>> | by the audience.
>> |
>> | 50 minutes: Question time, including cost of software and
>> | phone etc.
>> | and where Americans can buy.
>> |
>> | Speaking mostly from emory interesting points are the reader
>> | will work
>> | in a phone without a screen reader, and one that's not
>> | activated.
>> | Very good Screen enlargement is also there too for those
>> | with some
>> | sight,. Good help and keyboard guidance built-in, and
>> | presenter
>> | believes the reader software should be usable with very
>> | minimal
>> | training for many if not most people.
>> |
>> | The phone itself (Nokia n82) measures 4" x 2" x1" thick, and
>> | weighs in
>> | at 4 oz.in Its said to be very tacktile and the keys more
>> | identifiable than many. Sells for $500 or less in the US.
>> | Has built
>> | in GPS MP3 player, and high quality camera of course. I say
>> | all this
>> | to give some idea of what those fortunate enough to have the
>> | dosh will
>> | get in the phone itself.
>> |
>> | The software, to be much improved on, turns out to cost
>> | $1595.00 in
>> | the US. Now, here's where we come to that pricing issue
>> | again. that
>> | would equate to a straight UK conversionof less than
>> | ?800.00. So, why
>> | cannot we have it for less than ?100.00? Say ?950.00 for
>> | reading
>> | anywhere! What a sales point that could be for those who
>> | can push the
>> | poat out? AS opposed to rather more than that, seemingly.
>> |
>> | Not sure a UK audience or consumers are going to be quite so
>> | raptured
>> | and take the message to the country as they're encouaged to
>> | do in the
>> | US! The demo or presentation indeed had more the flavour of
>> | a
>> | revivalist meeting, with sounding horn, and loads of
>> | shrieking and
>> | applause. Maybe a sort of primary? Not without good
>> | reason!
>> |
>> | I only wish potential UK buyers had as much to shout about.
>> | AS it is
>> | the software, as I say, is going for $1595.00, so God knows
>> | what the
>> | 37 dealers there actually pay for it. Or what our sole
>> | distributer
>> | pays for it, come to that. I'll bet is less than $1595.00.
>> | Okay, so
>> | business is about profit; yes, I've got that message. When
>> | does
>> | profit turn to greed and extortion? Sorry folks, but yes,
>> | you can
>> | have a marvel of a device here, which can only get better.
>> | You'll pay
>> | much more dearly for it than folks across the Atlantic.
>> | Unlike them
>> | too, you won't be accessing a 3 per cent loan to help buy
>> | it. That in
>> | itself would be a good idea, but not sure why anyone should
>> | help
>> | bolster an already ludicrus profit margin.
>> |
>> | Those remarks aside, I do urge anyone who's not heard the
>> | launch of
>> | the KNFB cell phone reader to go on over to:
>> |
>> | http://www.blindbargains.com/redirect.php?redirect=2614
>> |
>> | And download or simply listen to the file.
>> |
>> | Cheers,
>> |
>> | From Ray
>> | I can be contacted off-list at:
>> | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>> |
>> |
>> | -----Original Message-----
>> | Steve Nutt
>> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>> |
>> |
>> | Hi Ray,
>> |
>> | Well James Everson of Sight And Sound is on this list, so I
>> | would be
>> | very
>> | interested in his comments on this. As a reseller of
>> | adaptive tech, I
>> | too
>> | feel this is overpricing, even allowing for overheads.
>> |
>> | All the best
>> |
>> | Steve
>> |
>> | -----Original Message-----
>> | Ray's Home
>> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>> |
>> | Paul, the 'over-inflated' UK price is more worthy of a post
>> | from me!
>> | (smile).
>> |
>> | Think the difference is three or four hundred quid! Presume
>> | there's
>> | no
>> | training being offered if you buy the software alone, as
>> | surely some
>> | will
>> | want to do. So, where exactly is the support and whatever
>> | in that?
>> | Sure
>> | many would like to pay rather less than a thousand quid for
>> | the
>> | software, if
>> | only they could!
>> |
>> | Wouldn't be so concerned if this was more obviously another
>> | leaning on
>> | Access to work provision, but we're talking enhancing of
>> | dailly living
>> | here.
>> | This makes it look very like extortion to me.
>> |
>> | I'd dearly like to see a defence of this, but as we often
>> | say here,
>> | I'm not
>> | holding my breath!
>> |
>> | Cheers,
>> |
>> | From Ray
>> | I can be contacted off-list at:
>> | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>> |
>> |
>> | -----Original Message-----
>> | Paul Leake
>> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
>> |
>> |
>> | an interesting presentation and an intention to continue to
>> | develop
>> | the
>> | product for the future. Pity that the u k price seems over
>> | inflated
>> | though!
>> |
>> | Cheers
>> |
>> | Paul
>> |
>> | paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> | ----- Original Message -----
>> | From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> | Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:51 PM
>> | Subject: [access-uk] More on KNFB reader for phones
>> |
>> |
>> | > Hi folks,
>> | >
>> | > Take a look, or should I say a listen, to this file. You
>> | can
>> | download it
>> | > from:-
>> | >
>> | > http://www.blindbargains.com/redirect.php?redirect=2614
>> | >
>> | > All the best
>> |
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