Hi Barry, Well, to an extent, I agree with George, in that technical support on these products has to be taken into consideration. However, the problem with that is that those who don't need or want technical support, have to pay for it, whether they do want it or not. On the other hand, if people don't get tech support for free when they want it, then there is merry hell to pay on that side too. So it is a difficult balancing act, but I still believe that things are overpriced in the UK. You only have to compare the price of JAWS in the US for example, to JAWS in Europe. Anyway, I'll say no more on the subject, otherwise I really will be honest <Smile>. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dj Paddy Sent: Sunday 3 February 2008 14:35 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones Steve, and all access tech vendors/retailers. I realise it's a closely guarded secret but seriously how much is too much with this stuff. How far can the arm be put in? Are people getting their arms in as much as we believe? Sorry to pick on yourself mate but you're a very public figure and often as not will be honest if if it's not what people want to hear. Will the endless debates on email lists ever change this high-way robbery that makes products only available to people who, A. Con the system at some level. BE. Get some establishment to pay for a product on their behalf, which often involves some quick talking and quick wittedness on the users behalf. C. Long hard saving, which not that many people seem to do anymore in our credit debt riddled society. This stuff is specialised and I get that, I think that anyone who's been knocking about with this stuff for a while will admit it will cost more. It's rubbish and unfair but there is allot more research and development, (mostly on the software side than hardware), that goes on. I'd just once like for this stuff to come up and some change to be executed and something to come out of our debates on mailing lists rather than just he usual, we're being ripped off and those pesky Americans are getting the good deal again. Much of which I agree with btw. One suggestion I'd have for change is the same as they have in Canada. Did you know you can actually get updated adaptive tech gear every couple of years? We're talking in your home stuff, stuff that you justify that helps you live independently. I don't want to get into the debate of what we have here that we'd probably not wish to do without to have our tech stuff bought for us because that's more into the VI Gen area. Any thoughts? Dj Paddy From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones > Hi Andy, > > Thanks for the MobileBee link, I hadn't heard of them. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Andy Collins > Sent: Sunday 3 February 2008 11:07 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones > > Steve - when I looked on expansys it was £379. It can be got for > £330.85 at > > www.mobilebee.co.uk > > and that includes VAT. I've found it in the US for Under $500, so > cheaper still! - > > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:09 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones > > > | Hi, > | > | You can certainly find the phone cheaper. I have seen it at 349 > | pounds > at > | http://www.expansys.com. > | > | All the best > | > | Steve > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > | Behalf > Of > | Dean Wilcox > | Sent: Saturday 2 February 2008 21:39 > | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones > | > | The price does seem high, take this example. You buy the software > | for £1080, the phone for £400 and Talks for £150 it would cost > | £1630. The package from Sight And Sound, inc 5 percent VAT would be > | £182.98. Doing > it > | that way would be a saving of over £180 and who knows, you might > | even > find > | the phone cheaper. > | > | > | At 20:42 02/02/2008, you wrote: > | >an interesting presentation and an intention to continue to develop > | >the product for the future. > | >Pity that the u k price seems over inflated though! > | > > | >Cheers > | > > | >Paul > | > > | >paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx > | >----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" > | ><steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > | >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > | >Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:51 PM > | >Subject: [access-uk] More on KNFB reader for phones > | > > | > > | >>Hi folks, > | >> > | >>Take a look, or should I say a listen, to this file. 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