--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, kirby urner <kirby.urner@...> wrote: > So can't we do the same phenomenological approach and say humans > don't have any symbols in the same sense computers don't i.e. there's > just a lot of biological stuff happening. You do make a good point. Martian biologists visiting earth might conclude that we are not using symbols. Or maybe they would judge whether we were using symbols on our external behavior. But then crows exhibit interesting external behavior, including learning, yet there isn't much discussion of whether they are using symbols. Regards, Neil Group Home Page: http://seanwilson.org/wittgenstein.discussion.html Group Discussion Board: http://seanwilson.org/forum/ Google Archive: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs FreeList Archive: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs FreeList for September: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009 FreeList for August: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/08-2009 Group Creator's Page: http://seanwilson.org/ Today's Messages: http://alturl.com/whcf Messages From Last 3 Days: http://alturl.com/d9vz This Week's Messages: http://alturl.com/yeza Yahoo Archive: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/