[wisb] Re: Status of Certain Birds (No Sightings)

Good point Jesse.  It def is ultimately up to you to decide what you count and 
what you dont 
--Chris W, Richland county 

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On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:08, Jesse Ellis <calocitta8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hey all-
> 
> WSO and the ABA are independent bodies; I believe all state bird 
> organizations are. Each maintains its own list of acceptable and unacceptable 
> records for the state, so I would argue that WSO may indeed define 
> "countability", for itself. Like any list or listing event, "Acceptable" or 
> "countable" is defined by the body to whom you wish to submit the list - 
> whether yourself, WSO, or the ABA. I'm not certain, but it may be that in 
> cases of rarities, the ABA defers to the state records body to determine 
> whether the rarity was sufficiently documented - thus it would have to be 
> accepted by the state body before becoming acceptable on an ABA list. However 
> clearly the latter applies to rarities, not necessarily introduced birds.
> 
> I don't mean to be a pedant about that, but I prefer to differentiate between 
> the American Birding Association and other organizations with respect to 
> records. For example, the AOU also maintains a list of species accepted to 
> have occurred on the continent; in many cases the ABA takes the AOU's lead. 
> To each their own, with respect to listing. It mostly depends on who you want 
> to recognize your list.
> 
> I, personally, nearly hit 250 last year, but that included a "non-countable" 
> species, specifically the Whooping Crane. Damned if I'm not counting them.
> 
> Jesse Ellis,
> Madison
> 
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx> 
> wrote:
> If I recall right, that info is not on the WSO website.  The reason being 
> that countability is not governed by the state. It's done by the ABA.  You 
> can print a copy of the ABA checklist from their website.  Every species on 
> it has been given a number code. From 1 for the most common, to 5 for 
> extinct/ uncountable species. Anything from 1-4 is deemed countable.
> 
> Whooping crane is a special case in WI since there are two flocks. A wild 
> flock in Canada that migrates through the central plains, and a human-raised, 
> human-dependent, non-wild flock in WI.  The Canada birds are countable. The 
> WI birds are not and will not be for some time to come.
> 
> The official rules for countability can also be found on the ABA website.  
> Generally, the population must be established and self-sustaining to be 
> considered countable.
> 
> 
> --Chris W, Richland county
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Jan 19, 2011, at 9:04, Mikko Viljamaa <mikko.viljamaa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Hi WiBi,
> > Now when I'm indisputably approaching the 200-species milestone - no smirks
> > please ;  ) - I became curious about the status of some birds on my list
> > like for example Mute Swan and Whooping Crane. I tried to research WSO's web
> > page but didn't find any information from there about species which are not
> > considered to be "wild" or are considered for example to be "introduced".
> > Any idea from where I can find this info?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mikko, Kaukauna (Outagamie)
> >
> >
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> Jesse Ellis
> Madison, Dane Co, WI

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