Chris West said: "It def is ultimately up to you to decide what you count and what you dont". I agree. I won't count any obvious escapes or releases. But, like Jesse Ellis, I will count the Whooping Cranes that are on my Indiana BIGBY life list. On two occasions I had Whoopers fly over my house in the company of Sandhills. I was told they weren't countable, but I counted them anyway. To me, they were just as wild as the Sandhills. Bernie Sloan Milwaukee --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Status of Certain Birds (No Sightings) > To: "Jesse Ellis" <calocitta8@xxxxxxxxx>, wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:16 PM > Good point Jesse. It def is > ultimately up to you to decide what you count and what you > dont > --Chris W, Richland county > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:08, Jesse Ellis <calocitta8@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > Hey all- > > > > WSO and the ABA are independent bodies; I believe all > state bird organizations are. Each maintains its own list of > acceptable and unacceptable records for the state, so I > would argue that WSO may indeed define "countability", for > itself. Like any list or listing event, "Acceptable" or > "countable" is defined by the body to whom you wish to > submit the list - whether yourself, WSO, or the ABA. I'm not > certain, but it may be that in cases of rarities, the ABA > defers to the state records body to determine whether the > rarity was sufficiently documented - thus it would have to > be accepted by the state body before becoming acceptable on > an ABA list. However clearly the latter applies to rarities, > not necessarily introduced birds. > > > > I don't mean to be a pedant about that, but I prefer > to differentiate between the American Birding Association > and other organizations with respect to records. For > example, the AOU also maintains a list of species accepted > to have occurred on the continent; in many cases the ABA > takes the AOU's lead. To each their own, with respect to > listing. It mostly depends on who you want to recognize your > list. > > > > I, personally, nearly hit 250 last year, but that > included a "non-countable" species, specifically the > Whooping Crane. Damned if I'm not counting them. > > > > Jesse Ellis, > > Madison > > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx> > wrote: > > If I recall right, that info is not on the WSO > website. The reason being that countability is not > governed by the state. It's done by the ABA. You can > print a copy of the ABA checklist from their website. > Every species on it has been given a number code. From 1 for > the most common, to 5 for extinct/ uncountable species. > Anything from 1-4 is deemed countable. > > > > Whooping crane is a special case in WI since there are > two flocks. A wild flock in Canada that migrates through the > central plains, and a human-raised, human-dependent, > non-wild flock in WI. The Canada birds are countable. > The WI birds are not and will not be for some time to come. > > > > The official rules for countability can also be found > on the ABA website. Generally, the population must be > established and self-sustaining to be considered countable. > > > > > > --Chris W, Richland county > > > > Sent from my iPod > > > > On Jan 19, 2011, at 9:04, Mikko Viljamaa <mikko.viljamaa@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > > Hi WiBi, > > > Now when I'm indisputably approaching the > 200-species milestone - no smirks > > > please ; ) - I became curious about the > status of some birds on my list > > > like for example Mute Swan and Whooping Crane. I > tried to research WSO's web > > > page but didn't find any information from there > about species which are not > > > considered to be "wild" or are considered for > example to be "introduced". > > > Any idea from where I can find this info? > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mikko, Kaukauna (Outagamie) > > > > > > > > > #################### > > > You received this email because you are > subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web > interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. > > > To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn > web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. > > > Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. > > > > > > > > > > > #################### > > You received this email because you are subscribed to > the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web > interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. > > To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web > interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. > > Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jesse Ellis > > Madison, Dane Co, WI > > #################### > You received this email because you are subscribed to the > Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). > To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface > at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. > To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web > interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. > Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. > > > #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). 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