[wisb] Re: Status of Certain Birds (No Sightings)

Chris West said: "It def is ultimately up to you to decide what you count and 
what you dont".

I agree. I won't count any obvious escapes or releases. But, like Jesse Ellis, 
I will count the Whooping Cranes that are on my Indiana BIGBY life list. On two 
occasions I had Whoopers fly over my house in the company of Sandhills. I was 
told they weren't countable, but I counted them anyway. To me, they were just 
as wild as the Sandhills.

Bernie Sloan
Milwaukee

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [wisb] Re: Status of Certain Birds (No Sightings)
> To: "Jesse Ellis" <calocitta8@xxxxxxxxx>, wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:16 PM
> Good point Jesse.  It def is
> ultimately up to you to decide what you count and what you
> dont 
> --Chris W, Richland county 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:08, Jesse Ellis <calocitta8@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hey all-
> > 
> > WSO and the ABA are independent bodies; I believe all
> state bird organizations are. Each maintains its own list of
> acceptable and unacceptable records for the state, so I
> would argue that WSO may indeed define "countability", for
> itself. Like any list or listing event, "Acceptable" or
> "countable" is defined by the body to whom you wish to
> submit the list - whether yourself, WSO, or the ABA. I'm not
> certain, but it may be that in cases of rarities, the ABA
> defers to the state records body to determine whether the
> rarity was sufficiently documented - thus it would have to
> be accepted by the state body before becoming acceptable on
> an ABA list. However clearly the latter applies to rarities,
> not necessarily introduced birds.
> > 
> > I don't mean to be a pedant about that, but I prefer
> to differentiate between the American Birding Association
> and other organizations with respect to records. For
> example, the AOU also maintains a list of species accepted
> to have occurred on the continent; in many cases the ABA
> takes the AOU's lead. To each their own, with respect to
> listing. It mostly depends on who you want to recognize your
> list.
> > 
> > I, personally, nearly hit 250 last year, but that
> included a "non-countable" species, specifically the
> Whooping Crane. Damned if I'm not counting them.
> > 
> > Jesse Ellis,
> > Madison
> > 
> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > If I recall right, that info is not on the WSO
> website.  The reason being that countability is not
> governed by the state. It's done by the ABA.  You can
> print a copy of the ABA checklist from their website. 
> Every species on it has been given a number code. From 1 for
> the most common, to 5 for extinct/ uncountable species.
> Anything from 1-4 is deemed countable.
> > 
> > Whooping crane is a special case in WI since there are
> two flocks. A wild flock in Canada that migrates through the
> central plains, and a human-raised, human-dependent,
> non-wild flock in WI.  The Canada birds are countable.
> The WI birds are not and will not be for some time to come.
> > 
> > The official rules for countability can also be found
> on the ABA website.  Generally, the population must be
> established and self-sustaining to be considered countable.
> > 
> > 
> > --Chris W, Richland county
> > 
> > Sent from my iPod
> > 
> > On Jan 19, 2011, at 9:04, Mikko Viljamaa <mikko.viljamaa@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi WiBi,
> > > Now when I'm indisputably approaching the
> 200-species milestone - no smirks
> > > please ;  ) - I became curious about the
> status of some birds on my list
> > > like for example Mute Swan and Whooping Crane. I
> tried to research WSO's web
> > > page but didn't find any information from there
> about species which are not
> > > considered to be "wild" or are considered for
> example to be "introduced".
> > > Any idea from where I can find this info?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mikko, Kaukauna (Outagamie)
> > >
> > >
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> > -- 
> > Jesse Ellis
> > Madison, Dane Co, WI
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