Thanks! I'm going to hold off for now because I think I might go with the DDR2-800 memory, which I originally planned, but was talked out of it because of some "problems" the guy at the computer store mentioned, but other computer stores looked puzzled when I mentioned that! :-O He said that AMD cpu's had a problem running DDR2-800 DIMMS. The system became unstable. Looking back, I think I was suckered because the DDR2-677 DIMMS cost MORE than the 800's! :-O On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:46:49 -0400, "Timothy R. Mangan" <tmangan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> came up with this: > You don't need to remove extra memory beyond what the OS supports. And the > 32bit OS will use 4GB, so don't pull it out if you do 32bit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles R. Buchanan > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:35 PM > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [windows2000] Re: Announcing beta release of Windows Vista SP1! > > Basically. It could be either both versions of XP or 32bit XP and 64bit > Linux > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:43:52 +0200, "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > came up with this: > > > Charles R. Buchanan <> wrote on Monday, October 01, 2007 4:14 PM: > > > > You mean dual-boot 32 and x64? > > > > > > > I went to M$ site the other day and I'm going to download the trial > > > version of XP 64bit. Give it the once over. Question though, if I was to > > > put 4GB ram in the new machine, I guess I would have to take out at > > > least 1, maybe 2GB when I run the 32bit OS, correct? I mean, although > > > the manual said that having more memory wouldn't do any damage, but I > > > would like to play it safe if possible. <shrug> > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:51:42 +0200, "Sorin Srbu" > <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > came up with this: > > > > > >> Charles R. Buchanan <> wrote on Friday, September 28, 2007 7:58 PM: > > >> > > >> Running games on a 32b-windows os (incl Vista") with more than 3GB of > RAM > > >> will freeze it. Only solution is to use a 64b OS. I think the same > > >> limitation may be with 32b-linux as well. > > >> > > >> 32b OS:es are long since old hat. I've been running WinXP SP2 x64 for > more > > >> than a year now and have had my irritations. Most have been solved with > > >> workarounds and I like the stability better with XP x64, after all it's > > >> built on Win2k3 Server... > > >> > > >> I recently got a 64b-aware UPHClean 2.0 from MS to try out. > Profile-problem > > >> have been an issue for ever since the start with XP x64. Seems like > it's > > >> now been resolved. > > >> > > >> Only thing left is for MS to release the 64b Power toys, and I'm happy. > 8-) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> There seems to have been a slight change of plans! :-) Fry's had/have > a > > >>> ASUS M2A-VM motherboard and AMD Athlon x2 AM2 5600+ combo on sale for > > >>> $190USD. So I bought it! :-) Sure, the MB is an earlier model than > > >>> the MB I had in mind, but the deal saved me some bucks! Have to go > out > > >>> and buy a Fan/heatsink for it, and also the memory. > > >>> > > >>> Speaking of such, it states in the manual that it is recommended that > > >>> less than 3GB of ram be installed if running the 32bit version of XP > or > > >>> Vista. I heard that someone where else I do believe. Seeing that > > >>> developing 64 bit apps are at a crawl, looks like the full memory > > >>> capacity of the MB will never be seen/realized! :-O > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:54:23 +0200, "Sorin Srbu" > > >>> <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> came up with this: > > >>> > > >>>> Charles R. Buchanan <> wrote on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:39 > PM: > > >>>> > > >>>> You really need 2GB of RAM to make Vista happy and run at the > (somewhat) > > >>>> same speed as XP? > > >>>> > > >>>> What kind of cpu (and other hw) do run your Vista on? Stationary or > > >>>> portable? > > >>>> > > >>>> I've only tried Vista as a VM in VMWare Server as RC2 or something > like > > >>>> that and it of course sucked big time, but that was rather expected. > The > > >>>> only other Vista I've run was on a spanking brand new HP 6715s > notebook I > > >>>> bought for one of the staff at the dept. It came with Vista Basic > > >>>> preinstalled and run off of an AMD Turion 3200+ or something like > that > > >>>> and had 1G RAM. From first switching it on until I could logon and > check > > >>>> it out, it took more than two hours... Well in, it felt really > sluggish. > > >>>> I checked the overall index on it and it was 3, with about half of > the > > >>>> checked things at 4. Assuming 5 is top notch I was rather > dissapointed > > >>>> with Vista. It wasn't like the Basic-version runs a lot bling-bling, > > >>>> bells and whistles. > > >>>> > > >>>> I nuked this Vista install and installed XP SP2 and sure enough it > felt a > > >>>> lot more speedy, slick and smooth. Granted portables are almost > always > > >>>> more sluggish than their stationary variants, but this much?? > > >>>> > > >>>> We're not going Vista anytime soon... In best case scenario, not > until > > >>>> 2011, or whenever XP isn't supported anymore. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Actually I when I got the Business version and installed it, I was > > >>>>> pleasantly surprised that I actually liked it. It took me awhile to > let > > >>>>> go of W2K in favor of XP, but once I did, there was no looking back! > :-) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sure there are a couple of things that I didn't like, such as, I now > > >>>>> have to go out and buy a more expensive sound card because SB > doesn't > > >>>>> support the Live 5.1 card any more, thus no Vista drivers. I like > Kerio > > >>>>> firewall, but it won't install under Vista so I have to use Zone > Alarm. > > >>>>> :-O > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I have also found that Vista likes it better if you install it on a > > >>>>> primary (active) partition when dual booting. :-( XP is the primary > OS > > >>>>> on this machine and since I have sound card issues, I have to keep > XP > > >>>>> because that is where my games are located! :-) The overall speed > though > > >>>>> is what REALLY surprised me though. I have 2gb of ram so that helps > a > > >>>>> LOT, and I haven't tried the ready boost feature, but that's suppose > to > > >>>>> speed things up too from what I heard. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:19:32 -0400, "Jim Kenzig ThinHelp.com" > > >>>>> <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> came up with this: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Lol I can tell you that there are supposed to be immense > improvements > > >>>>>> to networking and GPO. I really hope that they have it out by the > end > > >>>>>> of the year. I am rolling out Vista machines to our staff January > of > > >>>>>> next year. Vista can be so dumbed down if you take the time to look > > >>>>>> just like Windows 2000 or XP, I've done this so there is no culture > > >>>>>> shock to our staff. Jim > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 9/26/07, Charles R. Buchanan <daphatbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >>>>>> wrote: Maybe because they haven't found a way to bootleg it > > >>>>>> (Vista) > > >>>>>> yet? ;-) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:50:52 +0200, "Sorin Srbu" > > >>>>>> <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> came up with this: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Chris Berry <> wrote on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:38 > PM: > > > >>>>>> > No wonder the Chinese skipped Vista in favour of WinXP for > the 2008 > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Olympics... >>8-> > > > >>>>>> > I hope our beloved software provider Microsoft gets the > hint... > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > Anything before SP2 is a beta version, didn't you know > that by > > >>>>>> now? > > > > Chris Berry > > chris_berry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>>>>> > > Information Advisory Manager > > >>>>>> > > JM Associates > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > "The measure of success is not whether you have a tough > problem to > > >>>>>> deal > > with, but whether it's the same problem you had > last year. > > >>>>>> -John Foster > > Dulles" > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > Ray Costanzo wrote: > > >>>>>> > >> I hope SP1 is essentially a brand new operating system, > > >>>>>> considering how > >> awful Vista is. > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> *From:* > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > <mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>>>>> > >> [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of > *Jim > > >>>>>> Kenzig > >> ThinHelp.com > >> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, > 2007 7:10 > > >>>>>> PM > >> > > >>>>>> *To:* THIN; windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; vista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > > >>>>>> *Subject:* [windows2000] Announcing beta release of Windows > Vista SP1! > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>> > >> Today Microsoft released the beta of Windows Vista > Service Pack > > >>>>>> one to > >> select MVP's and beta testers. You will find > customer > > >>>>>> ready information > >> about Windows Vista SP1 at > > >>>>>> > >> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/bb738089.aspx as > > >>>>>> well as, > >> the Windows Vista blog at > > >>>>>> > >> > http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/default.aspx > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >> There are some very exciting enhancements that I can't > wait to > > >>>>>> tell you > >> about once MS releases them from NDA. Watch > this space > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >> Regards > > >>>>>> > >> -- > > >>>>>> > >> Jim Kenzig > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > ***************************** > > >>>>>> > New Site from The Kenzig Group! > > >>>>>> > Windows Vista Links, list options > > >>>>>> > and info are available at: > > >>>>>> > http://www.VistaPop.com > > >>>>>> > ***************************** > > >>>>>> > To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation > > >>>>>> > mode or view archives use the below link. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> "The object of life is not to be on the side of the > majority, > > >>>>>> but to escape finding one's self in the ranks of the > insane." > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ***************************** > > >>>>>> New Site from The Kenzig Group! > > >>>>>> Windows Vista Links, list options > > >>>>>> and info are available at: > > >>>>>> <http://www.VistaPop.com>http://www.VistaPop.com > > >>>>>> ***************************** > > >>>>>> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation > > >>>>>> mode or view archives use the below link. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > <http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm>http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Jim Kenzig > > >>>>>> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services > > >>>>>> http://www.thinhelp.com > > >>>>>> Citrix Technology Professional > > >>>>>> Provision Networks VIP > > >>>>>> CEO The Kenzig Group > > >>>>>> http://www.kenzig.com > > >>>>>> Blog: http://www.techblink.com > > >>>>> > > >>>>> "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, > > >>>>> but to escape finding one's self in the ranks of the insane." > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ***************************** > > >>>>> New Site from The Kenzig Group! > > >>>>> Windows Vista Links, list options > > >>>>> and info are available at: > > >>>>> http://www.VistaPop.com > > >>>>> ***************************** > > >>>>> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation > > >>>>> mode or view archives use the below link. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm > > >>>> > > >>>> ***************************** > > >>>> New Site from The Kenzig Group! > > >>>> Windows Vista Links, list options > > >>>> and info are available at: > > >>>> http://www.VistaPop.com > > >>>> ***************************** > > >>>> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation > > >>>> mode or view archives use the below link. > > >>>> > > >>>> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm > > >>> > > >>> "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, > > >>> but to escape finding one's self in the ranks of the insane." > > >>> > > >>> ***************************** > > >>> New Site from The Kenzig Group! > > >>> Windows Vista Links, list options > > >>> and info are available at: > > >>> http://www.VistaPop.com > > >>> ***************************** > > >>> To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation > > >>> mode or view archives use the below link. > > >>> > > >>> http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm > > >> > > >> ***************************** > > >> New Site from The Kenzig Group! 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