Knowing Microsoft, they'll tell me "so sorry..." haha. But you're = right, my clients WOULD be downgraded so I should have to pay them for = the TS cals. Jesse Rink Network Engineer Whitnall School District 414-525-8461 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shonk [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:17 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after boot? You may be able to talk to Microsoft about obtaining the TS-CALs for the = =3D downgraded clients. Since you already have W2k Pro, you may be entitled = =3D to obtain those cals. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Rink, Jesse [mailto:JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:10 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after boot? Yea I know about the citrix licensing, got my prices from my reseller = =3D =3D3D already :) Well it sucks that I'd have to shell out of additional TS cals if I run = =3D =3D3D in DOS with the ICA client because I already have Windows 2000 Pro at = =3D =3D3D the desktop, so I actually have what's needed to get the TS cals. But, = =3D =3D3D if I don't run 2000 Pro, and opt to run DOS, then I'd have to go out and = =3D =3D3D buy additional TS cals! Man, is that ever screwed up. =3D3D20 =3D3D20 Jesse Rink Network Engineer Whitnall School District 414-525-8461 =3D3D20 -----Original Message----- From: P.J. Johannsen [mailto:pjohannsen@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:06 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after boot? You would need TSCALs if you are connecting from a DOS based client. From what I read before, you are connecting to plain 2K Terminal =3D3D Servers. =3D3D20 If that is the case, you will need to install Citrix Metaframe and =3D3D purchase=3D3D20 Citrix licenses in addition to the Windows TSCALs. PJ >From: "Rink, Jesse" <JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after boot? >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:59:03 -0600 > > >If I used the ICA dos client, would I then have to buy additional TS = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >client licenses? I know TS client licenses are free *IF* the client is = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >2000, but what if it's dos?=3D3D3D20 > >Jesse Rink >Network Engineer >Whitnall School District >414-525-8461 >=3D3D3D20 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony Lyne (Computerland) =3D3D [mailto:Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20 >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:44 PM >To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' >Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after boot? > > >Yes and have had no problems with it. You just need to watch out for = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >memory >management of the TSR's as they can quickly chew up your base memory = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >before >the ICA client has loaded. > >Use emm386 etc and load everything high and include as much unused = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >upper >memory blocks as possible such as e000-efff on some machines =3D3D3D3D >(especially >older ones). > >Tony Lyne >Senior Systems Engineer=3D3D3D3D20 >Computerland Central=3D3D3D3D20 >P O Box 1470=3D3D3D3D20 >PALMERSTON NORTH >Telephone (+64) 06 3537300 >Facsimile (+64) 06 3566800 >Mobile (+64) 0274 720696 >E-mail Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Internet http://www.computerland.co.nz >CAUTION: This e-mail message and accompanying data may contain = =3D3D3D3D >information >that is confidential and subject to privilege. If you are not the =3D =3D3D3D3D >intended >recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >or >copying of this message or data is prohibited. If you have received = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >this >e-mail in error, please notify me immediately and delete all material >pertaining to this e-mail. Thank you. >=3D3D3D3DA0 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rink, Jesse [mailto:JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D20 >Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2003 9:40 a.m. >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after boot? > > >I'm wondering if I should look into the Citrix ICA client for DOS. Has = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >anyone used this before? =3D3D3D3D3D20 > >My goal here would be to make it so the user HAS to log in to the =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >terminal server/citrix box and has no other options. I don't want them = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >playing around in the PC's operating system at all. A thin client = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D >device is not an option due to cost, I need to re-use my current PC =3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >hardware. Maybe the Citrix DOS client would work. Claudio's DOS =3D =3D3D3D3D >client =3D3D3D3D3D >is real nice, but it's terminal server only and chances are I'll likely = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >grow into a load balanced farm with Citrix, not just terminal server. > >Jesse Rink >Network Engineer >Whitnall School District >414-525-8461 >=3D3D3D3D3D20 > >-----Original Message----- >From: P.J. Johannsen [mailto:pjohannsen@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D20 >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:34 PM >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after boot? > > >I think it has to be an executable. I am not sure if there is a way to = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >tie=3D3D3D3D3D20 >the rdp file to the client executable or not. Anyone else tried this? > >PJ > > > >From: "Rink, Jesse" <JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >boot? > >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:19:58 -0600 > > > > > >So you're saying to replace explorer.exe with the termserv.rdp I =3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D3D > >created? > > > >Jesse Rink > >Network Engineer > >Whitnall School District > >414-525-8461 > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: P.J. Johannsen [mailto:pjohannsen@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:07 PM > >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >boot? > > > > > >Try this on a test machine as this is one of those "at your own risk" = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D3D > >fixes.=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > The key for Win2K is: > > > >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > >NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\Shell > > > >Change the Explorer.exe to the shell you want. In this case, perhaps = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D3D > >the=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > >app would suffice. This is one of those "fixes" that is great if it = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D3D > >works,=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > >but can potentially down a machine if it doesn't. > > > >PJ > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Rink, Jesse" <JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >boot? > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:03:42 -0600 > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure how to do that. I've heard of people doing that with = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >NT =3D3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D3D > >or =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D > > >2000 but I've no idea how. > > > > > >Jesse Rink > > >Network Engineer > > >Whitnall School District > > >414-525-8461 > > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: P.J. Johannsen = [mailto:pjohannsen@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:58 PM > > >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >Subject: [THIN] Re: automatically go to term services logon after = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >boot? > > > > > > > > >Could you just boot to a shell with the client? > > > > > >PJ > > > > > > > > > >From: "Rink, Jesse" <JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >Subject: [THIN] automatically go to term services logon after = =3D3D =3D3D3D3D >boot? > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:38:38 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > >Is this possible for a PC that is running Windows 2000 Pro? > > > > > > > >1. User turns the PC on > > > >2. PC boots into Windows 2000 > > > >3. User is automatically logged in (user does NOT have to do this = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D3D > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D > > > >themselves) > > > >4. User is prompted with the logon box for terminal services > > > > > > > >In other words, can the PC's desktop of Windows 2000 Pro be =3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D3D > >completely =3D3D3D3D3D3D3D > > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D > > > >bypassed and a user FORCED to log on to terminal services? > > > > > > > >I would think this would be possible with group policy settings = =3D =3D3D by =3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D >=3D3D3D3D3D3D > >=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3D > > > >forcing logins and programs to be run at startup... ? > > > > > > > >Jesse Rink > > > >Network Engineer > > > >Whitnall School District > > > >414-525-8461 > > > > > > > >*********************************************** > > > >This Weeks Sponsor: WM Software > > > >WMS Messenger for TSE > > > >Affordable Instant Messaging for Terminal Servers > > > >http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ > > > >************************************************ > > > >For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > > > >set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. > > > > > > > >http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months =3D3D FREE*.=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > >http://join.msn.com/?page=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D3Dfeatures/junkmail > > > > > >***********************************************=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > >This Weeks Sponsor: WM Software > > >WMS Messenger for TSE > > >Affordable Instant Messaging for Terminal Servers > > >http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ > > >************************************************ > > >For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > > >set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. > > > > > >http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > > >*********************************************** > > >This Weeks Sponsor: WM Software > > >WMS Messenger for TSE > > >Affordable Instant Messaging for Terminal Servers > > >http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ > > >************************************************ > > >For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > > >set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. > > > > > >http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months = FREE*=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > >http://join.msn.com/?page=3D3D3D3D3D3D3Dfeatures/junkmail > > > >***********************************************=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > >This Weeks Sponsor: WM Software > >WMS Messenger for TSE > >Affordable Instant Messaging for Terminal Servers > >http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ > >************************************************ > >For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=3D3D3D3D3D3D20 > >set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. > > > >http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > >*********************************************** > >This Weeks Sponsor: WM Software > >WMS Messenger for TSE > >Affordable Instant Messaging for Terminal Servers > >http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ > >************************************************ > >For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > >set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. > > > >http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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