Now you go right ahead and tell all those people they are broken.=20 I'm not paying your doctor bill though, haha. -----Original Message----- From: Leone, Michael [mailto:MLeone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:57 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem I believe the RFC says that you an MX record is not actually required; if in the absence of an MX, an A record should be used for delivery (not a CNAME). Or so my postfix mailing list has taught me. If some mail servers are not sending you mail because you have no MX records, it is *they* who are broken. However, it's just easiest and best practice to have an MX record (or several, depending on your configuration). -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Leone, Systems Administrator Philadelphia Contributionship 210 S. 4th Street, Philadelphia, PA 19106 <mailto:mleone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> V: 215-627-1752 x1282 F: 215-627-5354 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Boggan [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:26 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem Lol man ok good. I thought I was going nuts. So some mail servers can send to A records? That is good to know. Yeah I have sent email to there IT staff from hotmail. Hopefully they will get it. Thanks, > _________________________________=20 >=20 > Michael Boggan > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin > Virtual Desktop Inc.=20 > Dallas, Texas=20 > Ph: (972) 960-6400=20 > Fax: (972) 960-6445=20 > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=20 > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=20 > _________________________________=20 >=20 -----Original Message----- From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:05 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem Oh cr-p, is it htdlaw.com? I've been tshooting hDtlaw.com. Yeah, they have no MX record for that domain. Any mail they receive is purely co-incidental. Actually, they have an A record; some mail servers will deliver to an A record if there is no MX for a domain, but exchange ain't one of them. You could make your name server a fake authoritative one for the domain htdlaw.com and add your own MX, but you're better off telling htdlaw.com to fix their NS also. Man is my face red. . . > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Lambert [mailto:rlambert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:28 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem >=20 >=20 > Michael, >=20 > Because no mx exists. >=20 > http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=3D3Dhtdlaw.com >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Boggan [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:17 AM > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem >=20 > Ok. I have reverse dns setup for my mail server at > vdimail.com. I try > sending to the email address at htdlaw.com and it still will=20 > not go. My > mail goes through trend viruswall so I can see it on the=20 > screen when it > goes > through. Normally it will process the mail then report message > forwarded to > whatever server at whatever domain, but with this one it just=20 > processes > the > message but doesn't send it. If you look in the queued=20 > message file, it > gives a message about unknown domain or address. It CAN'T find an mx > record > for the domain. This is really driving me nuts. Any other=20 > suggestions? >=20 > > _________________________________=3D20 > >=3D20 > > Michael Boggan > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin > > Virtual Desktop Inc.=3D20 > > Dallas, Texas=3D20 > > Ph: (972) 960-6400=3D20 > > Fax: (972) 960-6445=3D20 > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 = http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D20 > > _________________________________=3D20 > >=3D20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:17 PM > To: Michael Boggan > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem >=20 >=20 > OK, like I said, first thing is to have your ISP delegate the > in-addr.arpa > space for your IP block to your ns's. After that, creating a ptr is > pretty > easy in win2k, if memory serves me correctly (I us BIND for DNS, which > is > all config file based, but I have at least one machine set up with > Win2K's > DNs if you need a hand there. >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Boggan [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:35 PM > > To: 'Henry Sieff' > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > Yeah. > >=3D20 > > > _________________________________ > > >=3D20 > > > Michael Boggan > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin > > > Virtual Desktop Inc. > > > Dallas, Texas=3D20 > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400=3D20 > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445=3D20 > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 > > > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D20 > > > _________________________________=3D20 > > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:56 PM > > To: Michael Boggan > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > You're using Win2K's built in DNS stuff? > >=3D20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Boggan [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:04 AM > > > To: 'Henry Sieff' > > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > Yes those name servers are on our network. We control them. > > >=3D20 > > > > _________________________________ > > > >=3D20 > > > > Michael Boggan > > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin > > > > Virtual Desktop Inc. > > > > Dallas, Texas > > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400=3D20 > > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445=3D20 > > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 > > > > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D20 > > > > _________________________________=3D20 > > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:29 AM > > > To: Michael Boggan > > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > The first step is to contact whoever provided you with your > > IP address > > > space, which looks like SBC, and ask them to delegate > > authority of the > > > rDNS space, or in-addr.arpa space corresponding to your=20 > netblock to=3D20 > > > you your name > > > servers: > > > dns1.vdesktop.net. > > > dns2.vdesktop.net. > > >=3D20 > > > Then, you'll need to set up 230.173.216.in-addr.arpa rDNS=20 > zone on=3D20 > > > those two ns's. I can give you a hand with that if you have > > > administrative control of > > > both of those name servers. I can also tell you what you need=3D20 > > > to ask for if > > > you do not have administrative control. > > >=3D20 > > > As someone else pointed out, this immediate problem could=20 > also be=3D20 > > > caused by some discrepencies in the records for that domain,=3D20 > > > although > > a properly > > > configured resolver should still be able to find the mx > > > record (provided its > > > cache of root name servers is current). > > >=3D20 > > > Either way, rDNS entries are important, and everyone should > > have them > > > configured. > > >=3D20 > > > So, I guess the big question is, who manages the NS's? > > >=3D20 > > > Henry > > >=3D20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Boggan [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:09 AM > > > > To: 'Henry Sieff' > > > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem > > > >=3D20 > > > >=3D20 > > > > Ok thanks. I am not very DNS savvy. I know the basics > > and that's > > > > about it. Any idea how I do what you are refering to in windows > > > > 2000 dns? > > > >=3D20 > > > > Thanks, > > > >=3D20 > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > Michael Boggan > > > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin > > > > > Virtual Desktop Inc. > > > > > Dallas, Texas > > > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400 > > > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445=3D20 > > > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 > > > > > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D20 > > > > > _________________________________=3D20 > > > > >=3D20 > > > >=3D20 > > > >=3D20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:07 AM > > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem > > > >=3D20 > > > >=3D20 > > > > I just checked both of your domains; for your mail=20 > server on each > > > > one you lack a rDNS ptr record. Many mail servers out there are > > > > configured to just > > > > dump mail which comes from servers w/o a rDNS PTR. Fix it,=3D20 > > > > and I'd wager the > > > > problem with that domain (and probably others you don't = know=3D20 > > > > about) will go > > > > away. > > > >=3D20 > > > >=3D20 > >=20 > = http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=3D3DPrairietitle.com > > > > = http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=3D3Dvdimail.com > > > >=3D20 > > > > Henry > > > >=3D20 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Michael Boggan [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:51 AM > > > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem > > > > >=3D20 > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > Well we have 2 different domains trying it. > > > Prairietitle.com and I > > > > > tried from my server which is vdimail.com > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > > Michael Boggan > > > > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin > > > > > > Virtual Desktop Inc. > > > > > > Dallas, Texas > > > > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400 > > > > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445 > > > > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D20 > > > > > > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D20 > > > > > > _________________________________=3D20 > > > > > >=3D20 > > > > >=3D20 > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:36 PM > > > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem > > > > >=3D20 > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > Well, ns1.swbell.net has them: > > > > > =3D > = http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=3D3Dhdtlaw.com&type=3D3DMX > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > and at your mail server, you are recursing to it: > > > > >=20 > http://www.menandmice.com/cgi-bin/DoDig?host=3D3Ddns1.vdesktop.net > > > > > .&domain=3D3Dhdtla > > > > > w.com&type=3D3DMX&recur=3D3Don > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > so I don't know. What is the domain that is having trouble > > > > sending to > > > > > hdtlaw.com? > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Michael Boggan [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:49 PM > > > > > > To: 'THIN@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > > > > > Subject: [THIN] OT: very wierd email problem > > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > >=3D20 > > > > > > Here goes. I have a user sending an email to=20 > htdlaw.com. =3D20 > > > > > > The recipient > > > > > > never recieves the email, but does recieve emails from > > > > > other people, > > > > > > including one i sent her from a hotmail account. =20 > When i do an >=20 > > > > > > nslookup it says no MX record exists. I then check > > > > > dnsstuff.com and > > > > > > it says no MX record exists. I know that is why we > > > can't send her > > > > > > mail, but how is she receiving other emails? Anyone > > > ideas. 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