[THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
- From: Henry Sieff <hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:46:53 -0600
[great topic, I guess]
Not so:
http://www.menandmice.com/9000/9320_DNS_Corner_Q&A/93_Q&A_037.html
Sendmail used to have this as default behavior when no MX exists (not sure
anymore).
Qmail definitely falls back to the A record for domainname.com when no MX
exists
Ditto for Postfix if you change the setting ignore_mx_lookup_error = yes.
Exchange doesn't.
Not sure about others, but I know that the majority of mailer-daemon's out
there will exhibit this.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Eric [mailto:EFoote@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:15 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
>
>
> And the only way that a mail server will send to an "A"
> record is by an =
> explicit rule in the configuration of the sending server like
> "forward =
> all mail bound for abc.com to 1.2.3.4." =20
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Ryan Lambert
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
>
>
> If a domain does not have an MX record, some mail servers will deliver
> to the parent host (htdlaw.com) in this case.
>
> The problem is worldnic hasn't put in an MX record for your
> domain. The
> e-mail you ARE receiving is from e-mail servers configured to
> send mail
> to the "parent" A record of the domain.
>
> Complain to them. I agree.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Rogers [mailto:Andrew.Rogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:39 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
>
> lol
> I love meaningful domain names :)
> My advice still stands though, he needs to go shout at their domain
> host! ;)
>
> Andrew
> --o--
>
> >>> hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx 25/03/04 16:13:00 >>>
> You and I were both transposing the t and the d; htdlaw.com
> does indeed
> have
> no mx.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew Rogers [mailto:Andrew.Rogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:43 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> >=3D3D20
> >=3D3D20
> > But there is one!
> >
> http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=3D3D3D3Dhdtlaw.co
> m&type=3D3D=
> 3D3D=3D
> MX=3D3D
> =3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> >=3D3D20
> > I tells ya, go complain to the people who have htdlaw.com -=3D3D20
> > tell em to shou=3D3D3D
> > t at their ISP/ns host :)
> > Somethings clearly screwy with their nameserver/dns setup
> >=3D3D20
> > Andrew
> > --o--
> >=3D3D20
> > >>> rlambert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 25/03/04 15:28:24 >>>
> > Michael,
> >=3D3D20
> > Because no mx exists.
> >=3D3D20
> >
> http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=3D3D3D3D3Dh
> tdlaw.com=3D=
> 3D3=3D
> D20
> =3D3D
> >
> =3D3D20
> >=3D3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Boggan =
> [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:17 AM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> >=3D3D20
> > Ok. I have reverse dns setup for my mail server at=3D3D20
> > vdimail.com. I try
> > sending to the email address at htdlaw.com and it still will=3D3D20
> > not go. My
> > mail goes through trend viruswall so I can see it on the=3D3D20
> > screen when it
> > goes
> > through. Normally it will process the mail then report message
> > forwarded to
> > whatever server at whatever domain, but with this one it just=3D3D20
> > processes
> > the
> > message but doesn't send it. If you look in the queued=3D3D20
> > message file, it
> > gives a message about unknown domain or address. It CAN'T
> find an mx
> > record
> > for the domain. This is really driving me nuts. Any other=3D3D20
> > suggestions?
> >=3D3D20
> > > _________________________________=3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > Michael Boggan
> > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin
> > > Virtual Desktop Inc.=3D3D3D3D20
> > > Dallas, Texas=3D3D3D3D20
> > > Ph: (972) 960-6400=3D3D3D3D20
> > > Fax: (972) 960-6445=3D3D3D3D20
> > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > _________________________________=3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> >=3D3D20
> >=3D3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henry Sieff =
> [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:17 PM
> > To: Michael Boggan
> > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> >=3D3D20
> >=3D3D20
> > OK, like I said, first thing is to have your ISP delegate the
> > in-addr.arpa
> > space for your IP block to your ns's. After that, creating a ptr is
> > pretty
> > easy in win2k, if memory serves me correctly (I us BIND for
> DNS, which
> > is
> > all config file based, but I have at least one machine set up with
> > Win2K's
> > DNs if you need a hand there.
> >=3D3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Boggan [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:35 PM
> > > To: 'Henry Sieff'
> > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > Yeah.
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > _________________________________
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Michael Boggan
> > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin
> > > > Virtual Desktop Inc.
> > > > Dallas, Texas=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > _________________________________=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:56 PM
> > > To: Michael Boggan
> > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > You're using Win2K's built in DNS stuff?
> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Michael Boggan
> [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:04 AM
> > > > To: 'Henry Sieff'
> > > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Yes those name servers are on our network. We control them.
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > _________________________________
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > Michael Boggan
> > > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin
> > > > > Virtual Desktop Inc.
> > > > > Dallas, Texas
> > > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > _________________________________=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:29 AM
> > > > To: Michael Boggan
> > > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > The first step is to contact whoever provided you with your
> > > IP address
> > > > space, which looks like SBC, and ask them to delegate
> > > authority of the
> > > > rDNS space, or in-addr.arpa space corresponding to your=3D3D20
> > netblock to=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > you your name
> > > > servers:
> > > > dns1.vdesktop.net.
> > > > dns2.vdesktop.net.
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Then, you'll need to set up 230.173.216.in-addr.arpa rDNS=3D3D20
> > zone on=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > those two ns's. I can give you a hand with that if you have
> > > > administrative control of
> > > > both of those name servers. I can also tell you what you
> need=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > to ask for if
> > > > you do not have administrative control.
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > As someone else pointed out, this immediate problem could=3D3D20
> > also be=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > caused by some discrepencies in the records for that
> domain,=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > although
> > > a properly
> > > > configured resolver should still be able to find the mx
> > > > record (provided its
> > > > cache of root name servers is current).
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Either way, rDNS entries are important, and everyone should
> > > have them
> > > > configured.
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > So, I guess the big question is, who manages the NS's?
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > Henry
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Michael Boggan =
> [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:09 AM
> > > > > To: 'Henry Sieff'
> > > > > Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > Ok thanks. I am not very DNS savvy. I know the basics
> > > and that's
> > > > > about it. Any idea how I do what you are refering to
> in windows
> > > > > 2000 dns?
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > _________________________________
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > Michael Boggan
> > > > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin
> > > > > > Virtual Desktop Inc.
> > > > > > Dallas, Texas
> > > > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400
> > > > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > _________________________________=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Henry Sieff [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:07 AM
> > > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > I just checked both of your domains; for your mail=3D3D20
> > server on each
> > > > > one you lack a rDNS ptr record. Many mail servers out
> there are
> > > > > configured to just
> > > > > dump mail which comes from servers w/o a rDNS PTR. Fix
> it,=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > and I'd wager the
> > > > > problem with that domain (and probably others you don't=3D3D20
> > know=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > about) will go
> > > > > away.
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > =3D
> http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=3D3D3D3D3DP
> rairie=3D3D=
> 20
> > title.com=3D3D3D
> > >
> > > >=3D3D20
> >
> http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=3D3D3D3D3Dv
> dimail.com=3D=
> 3D=3D
> 3D2
> 0=3D3D
> >
> > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > Henry
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Michael Boggan =
> [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:51 AM
> > > > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > Well we have 2 different domains trying it.
> > > > Prairietitle.com and I
> > > > > > tried from my server which is vdimail.com
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > _________________________________
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Michael Boggan
> > > > > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin
> > > > > > > Virtual Desktop Inc.
> > > > > > > Dallas, Texas
> > > > > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400
> > > > > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445
> > > > > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > >
> http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com=3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > > _________________________________=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Henry Sieff
> [mailto:hsieff@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:36 PM
> > > > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: very wierd email problem
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > Well, ns1.swbell.net has them:
> > > > > > =3D3D3D3D
> > =3D
> http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=3D3D3D3D3Dhdtlaw.
> com&ty=3D3D=
> 20
> > pe=3D3D3D3D3DMX=3D3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > and at your mail server, you are recursing to it:
> > > > > >=3D3D20
> >
> http://www.menandmice.com/cgi-bin/DoDig?host=3D3D3D3D3Ddns1.vd
> esktop.net=3D=
> 3D=3D
> 3D=3D3D
> >
> >
> > > > > .&domain=3D3D3D3D3Dhdtla
> > > > > > w.com&type=3D3D3D3D3DMX&recur=3D3D3D3D3Don
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > so I don't know. What is the domain that is having trouble
> > > > > sending to
> > > > > > hdtlaw.com?
> > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Michael Boggan =3D
> [mailto:MBoggan@xxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:49 PM
> > > > > > > To: 'THIN@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > > Subject: [THIN] OT: very wierd email problem
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > Here goes. I have a user sending an email to=3D3D20
> > htdlaw.com. =3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > The recipient
> > > > > > > never recieves the email, but does recieve emails from
> > > > > > other people,
> > > > > > > including one i sent her from a hotmail account. =3D3D20
> > When i do an
> >=3D3D20
> > > > > > > nslookup it says no MX record exists. I then check
> > > > > > dnsstuff.com and
> > > > > > > it says no MX record exists. I know that is why we
> > > > can't send her
> > > > > > > mail, but how is she receiving other emails? Anyone
> > > > ideas. I am
> > > > > > > baffled.
> > > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > > _________________________________
> > > > > > > >=3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > > > > Michael Boggan
> > > > > > > > Network Engineer/Citrix Admin
> > > > > > > > Virtual Desktop Inc.
> > > > > > > > Dallas, Texas
> > > > > > > > Ph: (972) 960-6400
> > > > > > > > Fax: (972) 960-6445
> > > > > > > > email: mboggan@xxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > <http://www.virtualdesktopinc.com>=3D3D3D3D20
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